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Post by rayge on Jul 16, 2025 19:05:34 GMT
And I was quite the fan of Stump for a while. The guitarist was a mate of a mate, so I got to hear about them before they released anything: definitely a cut above Bog-shed. Big Flame passed me by, I'm afraid, even though I was buying all sorts of weird shit in the mid-eighties.
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Post by adamcoan on Jul 16, 2025 19:11:41 GMT
Peel championed them for a while. No recommendation unfortunately. His glory years as a tastemaker were really beginning to fall away by 86. Probably because he had less to work with. I don't remember them at all. The second track johnny posted is the better one. |
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Post by Ape Bro'ho on Jul 16, 2025 19:14:36 GMT
here's Big Flame - as much Go4 as Beefheart, I think
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Post by DarknessFish on Jul 17, 2025 7:40:19 GMT
here's Big Flame - as much Go4 as Beefheart, I think They feel more generally no wave than Go4. They have their spiky guitar tone, but they're doing something much more interesting with them. |
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Post by rayge on Jul 17, 2025 7:47:14 GMT
here's Big Flame - as much Go4 as Beefheart, I think I'm hearing The Fire Engines rather than Go4. |
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Post by DarknessFish on Jul 17, 2025 7:57:45 GMT
That's tinnitus, Ray.
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Post by rayge on Jul 17, 2025 8:18:23 GMT
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Post by DarknessFish on Jul 17, 2025 8:27:57 GMT
That's better than I remember The Fire Engines being, too. It's quite impressive that we went from something as bad as Bog-shed to actually getting on to some really interesting music here.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Jul 17, 2025 8:32:53 GMT
That's better than I remember The Fire Engines being, too. It's quite impressive that we went from something as bad as Bog-shed to actually getting on to some really interesting music here. The Candyskin/Meat Whiplash single is much better than that. |
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Post by rayge on Jul 17, 2025 8:37:10 GMT
That's better than I remember The Fire Engines being, too. It's quite impressive that we went from something as bad as Bog-shed to actually getting on to some really interesting music here. The Candyskin/Meat Whiplash single is much better than that. I prefer Candyskin too, but it was that track - from their first release, an EP - that the Big Flame track reminded me of. |
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Jul 17, 2025 9:09:07 GMT
NME pushing all those C86 bands was a big mistake. Most of those bands just weren't ready and it just created this unattractive, inward indie ghetto. You compare them with what The Smiths were putting out at the same time, the latter are levels above - whether that's songwriting, musicianship, ideas...everything really.
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Post by DarknessFish on Jul 17, 2025 10:09:58 GMT
I don't know if I agree or not. Probably to some extent, but also the pedestal that The Smiths were placed on was also pretty unattractive to me, too. The NME concentrated far too much on them in a "this is what all music should be" in a very literal sense, bands had to be jangle-pop with pseudo-literary ambitions and all else was detritus. That attitude lasted far too long, and promoted tons of really tedious identikit bands that hung around Camden a lot. They completely abandoned anyone doing anything in a manner akin to Big Flame, even though they were on the C86 comp.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Jul 17, 2025 10:55:40 GMT
I don't know if I agree or not. Probably to some extent, but also the pedestal that The Smiths were placed on was also pretty unattractive to me, too. The NME concentrated far too much on them in a "this is what all music should be" in a very literal sense, bands had to be jangle-pop with pseudo-literary ambitions and all else was detritus. That attitude lasted far too long, and promoted tons of really tedious identikit bands that hung around Camden a lot. They completely abandoned anyone doing anything in a manner akin to Big Flame, even though they were on the C86 comp. I agree with you there. The NME ignored so much that didn't fit into its narrow taste remits. I think the inkies were doomed long term anyway, but the NME certainly accelerated its own demise through being too tribalistic and narrow. |
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Post by fearlessfreap on Jul 17, 2025 12:15:11 GMT
Who were the shitty jangly NME bands? I probably was buying them at the time along with hip hop and house 12"'s. Was it things like Jazz Butcher and Cleaners From Venus? I liked them.
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Post by Ape Bro'ho on Jul 17, 2025 12:26:59 GMT
It's all perception, innit? If you don't like them, they're 'shitty indie bands' or 'white boys with guitars'.
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