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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 11:10:03 GMT
Oh and it's irrelevant whether these buildings are residential or not, if they're something people have to look at and live with as part of the everyday urban landscape.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Nov 15, 2020 11:19:30 GMT
This is getting tiresome. If you don't like it, then fuck off to the football thread. People find this stuff genuinely ugly, dispiriting and soul destroying..you get that right? Furthermore the people who have to live in these places never get asked their opinion. If they were the ones salivating over this stuff, there wouldn't be nearly the same reaction. But they're not are they? And that's why Toby is right to point out the voyeuristic titillation in all of this. I mean look at those buildings in the Rickersgate or Wigan photos..why should we celebrate them? Why not instead say 'Knock the ugly fuckers down'. Well, no, people find this stuff inspiring and interesting and attractive. Do you get that? That's why I started the thread. Why chime in time and time again to say that you find it ugly? What is the point? And I'll make the same point again (for about the fifth time in this thread alone) - we're not talking about residential buildings in the main, and that is why your argument about how awful it must be for people who live there is irrelevant. You only need to look at the structures in the article I linked to today to see that. There are churches, research centres, motorway service stations and bridges. Furthermore - the fact that you call it 'voyeuristic titillation' (and Toby calls it 'ironic appreciation' or whatever the fuck it was) says more about you than the architecture itself. It is no such thing. It is honest appreciation. There are many groups and societies dedicated to this - the preservation as well as the appreciation. You should know this, being a 'modernist'! Yes these buildings are made of concrete and they're big and they could be described as ugly. I understand that but I don't agree - hence the thread, hence the occasional additions to it. |
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Post by tory on Nov 15, 2020 11:19:45 GMT
I've said that I understand the appeal of this architecture remotely. I get why some people seem to love it from a purely aesthetic perpsective, but love of architecture must, fundamentally, take into consideration the people that live next to it or nearby, and also those who live within it.
There is a fascination with this sort of thing that sometimes borders on sociopathy because it is just concerned with the thing itself, rather than all the other aspects of architecture.
The manner in which some of it sits is just downright objectionable. There's a house near my son's school which is built to modernist designs and it is hidden behind massive hedges because, frankly, I'm sure the owners are aware that it doesn't sit right with the rest of the people who live nearby. I get the "shock of the new" with this stuff and how those straight lines can be arresting in some respects, but shock value should not be taken into consideration when playing with the mindsets of the people who have to live in these buildings.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Nov 15, 2020 11:20:40 GMT
I mean look at those buildings in the Rickersgate or Wigan photos.. why should we celebrate them? Why not instead say 'Knock the ugly fuckers down'. Why don't you think about that, then? |
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Post by tory on Nov 15, 2020 11:21:06 GMT
Yes these buildings are made of concrete and they're big and they could be described as ugly. Well, you said it. |
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Nov 15, 2020 11:22:05 GMT
I've said that I understand the appeal of this architecture remotely. I get why some people seem to love it from a purely aesthetic perpsective, but love of architecture must, fundamentally, take into consideration the people that live next to it or nearby, and also those who live within it. Why? |
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Nov 15, 2020 11:23:15 GMT
Yes these buildings are made of concrete and they're big and they could be described as ugly. Well, you said it. and you said this: Brutalist architecture is lovely to look at in FB groups and books. get your head straight, T! |
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Post by tory on Nov 15, 2020 11:25:38 GMT
Because they have to live with seeing it every day you absolute mentalist!
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Nov 15, 2020 11:26:51 GMT
You're a loonie.
I'm off to TESCO to get some ingredients to BAKE A CAKE
bye
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Post by bungo the mungo on Nov 15, 2020 11:34:01 GMT
what kind of cake, JC? when i was last in madrid, i stayed near the torres blancas which i really like.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 11:42:09 GMT
I'm not sure where else we can go with this without repeating the same points.
Maybe getting into specifics will help? Let's take those photos of the buildings in Rickersgate and Wigan. What are you deriving from those photos that we're not? What are we missing?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 11:49:39 GMT
what kind of cake, JC? when i was last in madrid, i stayed near the torres blancas which i really like. There can certainly be attractive and visually arresting modern buildings and that's a good example. A lot of this debate isn't about modern architecture anyway, it's about a certain style of municipal and residential architecture that happened in the 60s, and which is no longer modern. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 12:01:40 GMT
Single isolated examples of concrete buildings in a town are often quite exciting. It becomes a problem when it is surrounded by other brutality ( in the general use of the word) such as concrete squares with brick raised beds and underpasses lit by rectangular hard plastic facia.
The examples on here are quite lovely actually.
The brutalism in modern Britain are the Barrett homes and out of town shopping areas. Tesco towns.
I take the point that the positioning of many of the buildings are crucial to generate the approval of many.
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Post by DarknessFish on Nov 15, 2020 13:07:32 GMT
I'm not sure where else we can go with this without repeating the same points. Maybe getting into specifics will help? Let's take those photos of the buildings in Rickersgate and Wigan. What are you deriving from those photos that we're not? What are we missing? To be fair, my main point about St Jude's church is that it isn't imposing. For a church, it's small, you could easily mistake it for a small school or library. Not what you expect from the Catholic tradition of showmanship and grandeur. Never been inside it though. It's inoffensive, at best. That bit of Manchester uni though, its always looked rundown and dismal. Used to have a cool pub there, that would regularly get the smaller indie bands playing. But it is ugly and depressing, nothing else seemed to spring up in its shadow, despite the number of students there. |
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Nov 15, 2020 13:31:45 GMT
what kind of cake, JC? when i was last in madrid, i stayed near the torres blancas which i really like. I ended up making brownies. In the oven now. Yes - that's an exciting building. But imagine the absolute HELL of having to live close by! ooohhh oh ooh |
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