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Post by Charlie O. on Jul 17, 2022 16:59:27 GMT
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Post by oh oooh on Jul 17, 2022 21:45:19 GMT
The fact is that there is something deeply appealing about him.
'appealing', I suppose, in the sense of 'crying out (for help)' or something similar - not like 'attractive' (which I think is roughly synonymous today) - especially considering what Orwell writes immediately afterwards.
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Post by DarknessFish on Jul 17, 2022 22:12:28 GMT
More bollocks...
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Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on Jul 17, 2022 22:15:24 GMT
I wonder if Hitler ever used the term “mind virus” when discussing progressive thought.
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Post by Charlie O. on Jul 17, 2022 22:49:26 GMT
The fact is that there is something deeply appealing about him. 'appealing', I suppose, in the sense of 'crying out (for help)' or something similar - not like 'attractive' (which I think is roughly synonymous today) - especially considering what Orwell writes immediately afterwards. But at the end of that paragraph he writes (emphasis mine): "One feels, as with Napoleon, that he is fighting against destiny, that he can't win, and yet that he somehow deserves to. The attraction of such a pose is of course enormous; half the films that one sees turn upon some such theme." It's the same reason poor little overgrown rich kid Trump devotes at least half the time at his rallies to whining about how everybody's against him. He's the underdog! |
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Post by oh oooh on Jul 17, 2022 23:02:44 GMT
Yes!
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Post by fange on Jul 18, 2022 8:50:47 GMT
This is of course the modus operandi of sociopaths, dictators, and sociopathic dictators everywhere - they are never in the wrong, and are always being wronged by others unfairly. This gives them the righteous entitlement to "fight back" and win by any means necessary.
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Post by DarknessFish on Jul 18, 2022 9:27:39 GMT
This is of course the modus operandi of sociopaths, dictators, and sociopathic dictators everywhere - they are never in the wrong, and are always being wronged by others unfairly. This gives them the righteous entitlement to "fight back" and win by any means necessary. Fange opening up to his cup tactics... |
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Post by fange on Jul 18, 2022 9:33:52 GMT
You see, everyone! 😡 How long do i have to put up with this vile treatment? We cannot stand by and let this dead fish stink up our musical home any more!
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jul 18, 2022 10:17:56 GMT
 I liked this part. People need struggle and, yes, people need “sacrifice” too as a means to achieve meaning and purpose. People also need something to fight against, some vague enemy. People also have a tendency towards self-destruction. You see that in the west now, especially America. It’s like comfort and affluence breeds something, creates a reaction and fascist thought exploits this by tapping into something innate in human nature because it naturally appeals to something in Us that isn’t always satisfied elsewhere. A while back I had a reaction when reading some typical piece of progressive nonsense and I felt almost physically repulsed by it. It was very visceral. And it was something about the mental weakness of it that I found so pathetic that it stirred something within me and it set off a chain of thoughts. I ended up thinking to myself, “maybe this is part of the appeal of fascism?”. The focus on a “strongman leader”, the emphasis on military strength, on moral virtue, on hardship and suffering for the collective good etc. It’s like a reaction against weakness, a reaction against something that feels like a sickness that can “infect” other people therefore to preserve the tribe the sickness must be destroyed through a collective movement (in the way that a sick animal can be picked on and killed by members of the pack to preserve the pack). At that moment I felt like I understood at least part of its appeal anyway. |
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Post by davey on Jul 18, 2022 13:48:33 GMT
View AttachmentI liked this part. People need struggle and, yes, people need “sacrifice” too as a means to achieve meaning and purpose. People also need something to fight against, some vague enemy. People also have a tendency towards self-destruction. You see that in the west now, especially America. It’s like comfort and affluence breeds something, creates a reaction and fascist thought exploits this by tapping into something innate in human nature because it naturally appeals to something in Us that isn’t always satisfied elsewhere. A while back I had a reaction when reading some typical piece of progressive nonsense and I felt almost physically repulsed by it. It was very visceral. And it was something about the mental weakness of it that I found so pathetic that it stirred something within me and it set off a chain of thoughts. I ended up thinking to myself, “maybe this is part of the appeal of fascism?”. The focus on a “strongman leader”, the emphasis on military strength, on moral virtue, on hardship and suffering for the collective good etc. It’s like a reaction against weakness, a reaction against something that feels like a sickness that can “infect” other people therefore to preserve the tribe the sickness must be destroyed through a collective movement (in the way that a sick animal can be picked on and killed by members of the pack to preserve the pack). At that moment I felt like I understood at least part of its appeal anyway. The important thing is that you DO have fascism to cling to, so you’ll be okay! |
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Post by Markus on Jul 19, 2022 15:24:27 GMT
The last few paragraphs hit home. Accepting reality of life vs the battle for a painfree life.
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