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Mar 15, 2023 12:23:53 GMT
Post by oh oooh on Mar 15, 2023 12:23:53 GMT
true or false (generally speaking)?
Pet Sounds beats Revolver
The Clash started off really well and steadily got worse
The Velvets beat The Doors
The Smiths were the UK's greatest 80s band
Bowie was best in the FIRST half of the 70s
70s Led Zep beats 70s Stones
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Mar 15, 2023 12:44:58 GMT
Post by fearlessfreap on Mar 15, 2023 12:44:58 GMT
F - I'm not a big Pet Sounds fan -- I've said numerous times, I could come up with 100 albums from 1966 alone that I prefer to it. I don't hate it, but I don't come anywhere near loving it. I do love Revolver, though F - It's not a popular opinion, but Sandanista is my favorite Clash album, followed by the first. I'm not as big a London Calling fan as most people seem to be T -I like the Doors, but I love the Velvets (not including the 90's reunion, which was terrible) F -I've come around a bit on them, but that just means I like some of their songs. F- Middle of the decade is my favorite - Station to Station and Low F -I don't like Led Zeppelin nearly as much as I did as a kid. There isn't a band that I'm more tired of than Led Zeppelin. I own all the albums, but haven't felt the need to play any of them in over 30 years. The Stones, I can still play, thouh I've never liked It's Only Rock and Roll.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Mar 15, 2023 12:53:37 GMT
so here's what I think of J's opinions (because they're all things he's said before!) Pet Sounds beats RevolverI'd probably place them about equal. Pet Sounds has more cohesion, it feels almost like a concept album in that there's a real unity of sound and lyrical themes. And that can be very impressive of course. It's arrangements are more sophisticated than Revolver. Revolver is more eclectic though, both are innovative but Revolver has more 'shock of the new' about it. Ultimately Revolver's greater variety, both in its sound but also the different emotional landscape of its songs, is more preferable for me, but I wouldn't want to denigrate PS in any way. The Clash started off really well and steadily got worse Half true. I do think the first two albums were the best, but The Clash were actually getting more interesting again after the slightly dull rootsy London Calling period. I thought they were coming up with some really fresh sounds with the way they were using electro and dub and so on. It's a shame they kicked out Jones when they did as they still had more to give. The Velvets beat The Doors Yeah probably, but The Doors were still great..they were just a little more limited. But then everyone seems conventional next to The Velvets. The Smiths were the UK's greatest 80s band I probably wouldn't argue too much with this, but there's still something a bit too "indie ghetto" about them. It's still New Order for me. Bowie was best in the FIRST half of the 70s I love both periods, but push comes to shove I'd take the second half of the 70s. I love that black r n' b meets Euro motorik thing he had going between 76 and 78. 70s Led Zep beats 70s Stones Yes.
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Mar 15, 2023 13:46:15 GMT
Post by rayge on Mar 15, 2023 13:46:15 GMT
Pet Sounds beats Revolver T, probably, although I haven't listened to the former for more than thirty years, nor the latter for more than 50
The Clash started off really well and steadily got worse F The third album is the best.
The Velvets beat The Doors T well, DUH
The Smiths were the UK's greatest 80s band F I really liked their early material, but they gradually got less good. I'm not going to say who were the greatest, but New Order (sorry John), The Fall, Stone Roses, Madness, The Specials, PIL, J&MC (sorry again, John), Spacemen 3, Pogues, Culture Club, FGTH, Soft Cell, Pet Shop Bys, all in with a shout as far as I'M concerned, and I probably forgot a few. The were defintelyt better than Duran Duran, THO
Bowie was best in the FIRST half of the 70s T Just about, but I'm not in general a great fan
70s Led Zep beats 70s Stones F Any period Stones beats all periods LZ.
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Post by loveless on Mar 15, 2023 13:50:21 GMT
Pet Sounds beats Revolver
Probably. I mean, but...fuck, EACH is a hell of a quantum leap. Knowing that Brian WASN'T part of a gang maybe gives him a bit of an edge here.
The Clash started off really well and steadily got worse
I am prepared to admit that I, perhaps, underappreciate them. They are essential to many, and they'll do fine without me.
The Velvets beat The Doors
I reckon they are both sui generis, quite unique. I could make a fuss about one band having a toe in the blues, and the other having some real outre elements (Moe's non standard drumming, the Cale drones, the freakouts, "The Gift"), but...I probably prefer the Doors (Morrison's voice, specifically) in spite of everything.
The Smiths were the UK's greatest 80s band
Absofuckinglutely.
Bowie was best in the FIRST half of the 70s
It's an oversimplification (cause...there's things on Pinups and Aladdin Sane that I could do without, and I really do love STS and Low...and one or two bits of the last two), but...yes, there's absolutely a period for me that is DENSELY jam packed with top tier Bowie mojo - starting with all of those singles like "London Bye Ta Ta", "The Prettiest Star" and through Diamond Dogs and "Fame" that still bowls me over fairly well (and you get these big statements like TMWSTW, Hunky, Ziggy, and DD)
70s Led Zep beats 70s Stones
By a hell of a margin.
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Mar 15, 2023 14:12:33 GMT
Post by DayoRemix on Mar 15, 2023 14:12:33 GMT
Pet Sounds beats Revolver: False
The Clash started off really well and steadily got worse: False..Even though yes, I prefer the first UK release, LC and parts of Sandinista are better than Rope, which is on par with Combat Rock..
The Velvets beat The Doors: True, of course..Was this even in question?
The Smiths were the UK's greatest 80s band: False, but not far off..I'd have them second behind The Cure
Bowie was best in the FIRST half of the 70s: False..He was pretty consistent across the decade..
70s Led Zep beats 70s Stones: False..Zep doesn't beat anybody
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Mar 15, 2023 15:04:19 GMT
Post by DarknessFish on Mar 15, 2023 15:04:19 GMT
Pet Sounds beats Revolver: Not really interested in either. Probably false though.
The Clash started off really well and steadily got worse: True enough, though I wouldn't necessarily say "really well", they just don't carry the excitement of the best punk to my ears.
The Velvets beat The Doors: True. Easily.
The Smiths were the UK's greatest 80s band: Wouldn't be in my top 500, probably. I quite like them, but not enough to buy an album, I've heard all The Smiths songs I want to hear often enough.
Bowie was best in the FIRST half of the 70s: Yeah, I pretty much lose interest in Bowie after Aladdin Sane. I mean, I don't completely ignore him, but I can dab in and out of Bowie's work from any era without feeling the need to own any of it.
70s Led Zep beats 70s Stones: Dunno. Don't care for either. Both true and false until the box is opened.
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Post by tory on Mar 15, 2023 15:33:17 GMT
Pet Sounds beats Revolver
True. I love Revolver and the sheer bounty of ideas it has, but Pet Sounds has an emotional core to it that very few, if any, albums manage to really capture in the same way. Don't get me wrong - McCartney reaches his peak in my opinion on Revolver and it's a substantial one, but the vocal harmonies on PS destroy me.
The Clash started off really well and steadily got worse
No opinion.
The Velvets beat The Doors - Yes. But the VU never wrote a "Light My Fire" or "Peacefrog".
The Smiths were the UK's greatest 80s band - Probably, but again I have no real joy for them.
Bowie was best in the FIRST half of the 70s - I'm not interested in early 70s Bowie, so F for me. Low and Heroes are my thing with him.
70s Led Zep beats 70s Stones - T. Of course.
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Mar 15, 2023 16:06:44 GMT
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Post by toomanyhatz on Mar 15, 2023 16:06:44 GMT
Pet Sounds beats Revolver - F. I'm uncomfortable putting either over the other, though Revolver has been my stock answer for favorite album ever at some points, and I don't think PS, as much as I like it, ever has.
The Clash started off really well and steadily got worse - T, I suppose, though they're more a 'scattered tracks' band for me than one that had any unambiguously classic albums. Though the first comes closest. I am somewhat sympathetic to the love folks (including my wife!) have for Sandanista, but I call it 'the Put Down the Bong' album. Natural progression for a band to use its newfound power over the marketplace to indulge their whims, but that doesn't mean I have to like it or anything.
The Velvets beat The Doors - T, but with the caveat (and my recent realization) that Reed as a poet (divorced from the music) is every bit as pretentious as Jim. Possibly more.
The Smiths were the UK's greatest 80s band - F, of course. Everyone knows the Oyster Band were the UK's greatest 80s band.
Bowie was best in the FIRST half of the 70s - T, ultimately, though it's splitting hairs somewhat. His mid-70s were pretty gosh-darned great too. And I like Lodger more than most (certainly far more than Scary Monsters) for good measure.
70s Led Zep beats 70s Stones - T, I suppose, though it's worth pointing out that the Stones win '71 and '72 handily on the 'Matt Wilson year-by-year Scale', even though those were two pretty great years for Zep too. '75 is all Zep, though - their best album yet and the Stones' worst to that point.
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Mar 15, 2023 16:18:10 GMT
Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on Mar 15, 2023 16:18:10 GMT
true or false (generally speaking)?
Pet Sounds beats Revolver
False. Music for bedwetters will never beat a great hamburger of an album.
The Clash started off really well and steadily got worse
False. Their decline wasn't steady - they had a good 4 album run before the real rot set in.
The Velvets beat The Doors
Absolutely true. Most bands beat the Doors.
The Smiths were the UK's greatest 80s band
Possibly true, but I prefer New Order.
Bowie was best in the FIRST half of the 70s
True, but that doesn't negate the brilliant SECOND half.
70s Led Zep beats 70s Stones
Putting their 70's discographies side-by-side, I think the Stones take it.
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Mar 15, 2023 18:07:22 GMT
Post by quaco on Mar 15, 2023 18:07:22 GMT
true or false (generally speaking)? Pet Sounds beats Revolver
The Clash started off really well and steadily got worse
The Velvets beat The Doors
The Smiths were the UK's greatest 80s band
Bowie was best in the FIRST half of the 70s
70s Led Zep beats 70s Stones
Yes, all are true except I don't love the Smiths. Not sure who I would pick for best British '80s band though.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Mar 15, 2023 19:29:35 GMT
70s Led Zep beats 70s Stones - T, I suppose, though it's worth pointing out that the Stones win '71 and '72 handily on the 'Matt Wilson year-by-year Scale'. Thank God he's not a political pollster. That's the kindest thing I can add.
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Post by blue on Mar 15, 2023 22:31:21 GMT
Pet Sounds beats Revolver
They're pretty different albums. I play Revolver far more often. It hits the sweet spot for me where they're beginning to go their own way musically but still have the ambition of a band that's wanting to go somewhere together. Pet Sounds... There are moments in it where I really get the hype; Caroline, No and Don't Talk I'm thinking of, I think. But nah I think it's Revolver here.
The Clash started off really well and steadily got worse
Not arsed about them
The Velvets beat The Doors
Yeah. Manzarek is just about the only thing I like about the Doors.
The Smiths were the UK's greatest 80s band
Talk Talk for me The Smiths period up to Hatful of Hollow-ish I still think about quite a bit. Something like Jeane, This Night Has Opened My Eyes, Still Ill... I think Morrissey wrote his best stuff when he was struggling and he lost some of his real muse with success. Many of their bigger singles move me little now.
Bowie was best in the FIRST half of the 70s
Nah. I fall in and out with the glam stuff but Low/Heroes I always love.
70s Led Zep beats 70s Stones
I mean possibly but meh.
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Mar 16, 2023 8:36:40 GMT
Post by oh oooh on Mar 16, 2023 8:36:40 GMT
so here's what I think of J's opinions (because they're all things he's said before!) I hadn't intended to just post my opinions! they were just A or B things that I thought would stir a bit of discussion. but yeah, I suppose it's a fair reflection of what I think. Pet Sounds beats Revolverquite easily, for me. The fact that PS has a roughly consistent mood helps. And that the drippy stuff is somehow more convincing (don't ask me why) The Clash started off really well and steadily got worseyes, also true for me. Once upon a time I believed the stuff about how they were getting good again with Combat Rock - broadening their palette etc etc etc etc - but now I realise the more they bought into the USA, the less interesting they were The Velvets beat The Doorsyes - but I love the Doors more and more every time I hear them, and my feelings for the Velvets have remained the same over decades. So it's sort of close. But the VU excite me more, and there's nothing embarrassing in their original oeuvre (unlike Jim's lot) The Smiths were the UK's greatest 80s bandThe Fall for me. And a couple of Ray's suggestions might beat Mozz and mob too Bowie was best in the FIRST half of the 70sYES 70s Led Zep beats 70s StonesExile beats any LZ as far as I'm concerned, but after that I'm really not arsed. And I think Led Zep's first two were 60s albums, right? so it's close
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Mar 16, 2023 8:53:39 GMT
Post by Stacy Heydon on Mar 16, 2023 8:53:39 GMT
Bowie was best in the FIRST half of the 70sYES Time to go beyond "Starman" J!
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