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Ghosts
Oct 16, 2023 20:17:42 GMT
Post by adamcoan on Oct 16, 2023 20:17:42 GMT
I believe in them as genuine phenomena worthy of serious study. I have no absolute belief as to what they are. I find the sweeping dismissals that you often get more reflective of a kind of insecurity( many intelligent people are terrified of being labelled stupid or gullible) and an overly deterministic confidence,itself an act of faith, in the ability of our current scientific understanding to provide answers for everything. I don't believe in ghosts or the spirit world. I am however interested by what G writes concerning the stance taken during a discussion on the subject. Discuss.
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Sneelock
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Post by Sneelock on Oct 16, 2023 20:30:29 GMT
I won't mind if somebody calls me simple-minded but I believe there is stuff that I am unable to explain. shit, by the time I was 10 years old I'd made my peace with that.
Life is some funny-ass shit. don't let anybody tell you any different.
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Ghosts
Oct 16, 2023 20:47:12 GMT
Post by Charlie O. on Oct 16, 2023 20:47:12 GMT
Yeah, basically I go along with both G and snee.
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Post by souphound on Oct 16, 2023 22:40:17 GMT
Who said that???I'm on board with that as well. We are so limited in what we are capable of perceiving/imagining/conceptualizing and we, humanity, learn one baby step at a time by testing the limits. Just look at your mobile. It connects to the rest of the world by using invisible (to us) signals. It does it very well in fact. But the whole system is based on sending and receiving waves that WE organize. Who knows what is out there that is equally invisible (again, to us) but whose nature, configuration and organization is of a type we have not even conceived of, yet.
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Post by davey on Oct 16, 2023 23:31:02 GMT
One of the most annoying cliches that used to come up in the BCB religion threads was the assertion that anything that fell outside of the limits of current scientific understanding could be dismissed as “supernatural.”
But by definition, nothing can be supernatural. If it exists… it’s natural.
I don’t know shit about ghosts. I think a lot around us is still unexplainable, though I’m pretty sure it all doesn’t fit as neatly into our taxonomies as we’d like.
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Ghosts
Oct 17, 2023 8:41:09 GMT
Post by Reactionary Rage on Oct 17, 2023 8:41:09 GMT
I would say as a phenomena they tell us more about ourselves than the material world. A bit like UFOs really but with UFOs there is evidence of something going on that can be observed (there are objects flying around) whereas with ghosts what similar evidence exists? I don’t see anything concrete that suggests they “exist” external to us. At the same time you hear people’s experiences and part of you thinks, “what the hell is all that about?”. Can it just be put down to some figment of the imagination? A product of brain chemistry or whatever? I am not completely closed off but unless I experience something similar myself I have to come down hard on one side.
Haven't there been experiments that demonstrate the sensation of a ghost can be recreated?
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Ghosts
Oct 17, 2023 11:22:39 GMT
Post by adamcoan on Oct 17, 2023 11:22:39 GMT
The science of physics and thermodynamics and according to prof Brian ( it's Cox not cocks) I know everything, except a good tune. The Hadron collider proved that ghosts cannot actually exist.
Then again , Davy has a point.
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Ghosts
Oct 17, 2023 12:01:52 GMT
Post by Stacy Heydon on Oct 17, 2023 12:01:52 GMT
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Ghosts
Oct 17, 2023 12:17:14 GMT
Post by adamcoan on Oct 17, 2023 12:17:14 GMT
If ghosts existed, then they would need to be made purely of energy, since by their very definition they can't be made of matter. But if they were made only of energy, they would quickly dissipate, because the second law of thermodynamics proposes that energy is always lost to heat.
The only way that they would be able to avoid that would be to have an incoming source of their own spooky energy. But there is nothing to account for that in the standard model of physics or anything we've seen in the particle accelerator.
"If we want some sort of pattern that carries information about our living cells to persist then we must specify precisely what medium carries that pattern and how it interacts with the matter particles out of which our bodies are made," he said in a special edition of his podcast The Infinite Monkey Cage that focused on the paranormal. "We must, in other words, invent an extension to the Standard Model of Particle Physics that has escaped detection at the Large Hadron Collider. That’s almost inconceivable at the energy scales typical of the particle interactions in our bodies."
Guest Neil deGrasse Tyson checked whether Professor Cox was really claiming that the particle accelerator had actually disproved the existence of supernatural spirits.
“If I understand what you just declared, you just asserted that CERN, the European Center for Nuclear Research, disproved the existence of ghosts,” he asked. "Yes," replied Professor Cox.
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Ghosts
Oct 17, 2023 12:20:21 GMT
Post by Reactionary Rage on Oct 17, 2023 12:20:21 GMT
It's God innit. Yeah baby!
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Ghosts
Oct 17, 2023 13:00:48 GMT
Post by Stacy Heydon on Oct 17, 2023 13:00:48 GMT
If ghosts existed, then they would need to be made purely of energy, since by their very definition they can't be made of matter. But if they were made only of energy, they would quickly dissipate, because the second law of thermodynamics proposes that energy is always lost to heat. they do quickly dissipate though.
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Ghosts
Oct 17, 2023 13:03:08 GMT
Post by Stacy Heydon on Oct 17, 2023 13:03:08 GMT
If ghosts existed, then they would need to be made purely of energy, since by their very definition they can't be made of matter. But if they were made only of energy, they would quickly dissipate, because the second law of thermodynamics proposes that energy is always lost to heat. The only way that they would be able to avoid that would be to have an incoming source of their own spooky energy. But there is nothing to account for that in the standard model of physics or anything we've seen in the particle accelerator. Yeah our models are currently insufficient, that for me is not reason to disbelieve there may be things we don't understand.
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Ghosts
Oct 17, 2023 13:45:59 GMT
Post by adamcoan on Oct 17, 2023 13:45:59 GMT
If ghosts existed, then they would need to be made purely of energy, since by their very definition they can't be made of matter. But if they were made only of energy, they would quickly dissipate, because the second law of thermodynamics proposes that energy is always lost to heat. they do quickly dissipate though. Yeah, but then after one appearance, they wouldn't come back.
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Ghosts
Oct 17, 2023 14:29:42 GMT
Post by DarknessFish on Oct 17, 2023 14:29:42 GMT
They'd also be moving at the speed of light, if they were pure energy and had no mass.
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Ghosts
Oct 24, 2023 16:51:38 GMT
Post by sloopjohnc on Oct 24, 2023 16:51:38 GMT
I've never seen Coan. I've seen purported photos, but then I've seen photos of Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster, supposedly, too.
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