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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Feb 7, 2024 14:54:24 GMT
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Post by Charlie O. on Feb 7, 2024 15:21:55 GMT
(Yes, I saw the second half of that sentence.) So the "i' in "coffin" is a schwa sound? Hmmm.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Feb 7, 2024 15:37:57 GMT
The sound in 'coffin' I don't think is a schwa, or could ever be, really.
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Post by adamcoan on Feb 7, 2024 16:43:00 GMT
Do you pronounce the S in schwa ?
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Post by quaco on Feb 19, 2024 17:20:06 GMT
I occasionally pronounce the t but I don't know why. I don't think I ever did growing up. If people are saying it more on TV and the like, it may be an affectation they think makes them sound sharper. It's like no one can just pronounce homage "AHM-midge" any more. They have to pretend-say "oh-MAHDGE".
Lately, I've been trying to de-pomposify my words when I can. I don't know why exactly, but just being annoyed at the word that comes to my head, so if I can change it as it's coming out, it makes me feel better. Like saying "smart" rather than "intelligent" or "think" rather than "conceive"—that sort of thing.
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Post by Charlie O. on Feb 19, 2024 17:34:31 GMT
It's like no one can just pronounce homage "AHM-midge" any more. They have to pretend-say "oh-MAHDGE". That's funny, because I'm pretty sure I heard the French pronunciation long before I heard the other, so the other seems a little wrong to me, although I don't mind it.
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Post by loveless on Feb 19, 2024 20:15:46 GMT
I occasionally pronounce the t but I don't know why. I don't think I ever did growing up. If people are saying it more on TV and the like, it may be an affectation they think makes them sound sharper. It's like no one can just pronounce homage "AHM-midge" any more. They have to pretend-say "oh-MAHDGE". Lately, I've been trying to de-pomposify my words when I can. I don't know why exactly, but just being annoyed at the word that comes to my head, so if I can change it as it's coming out, it makes me feel better. Like saying "smart" rather than "intelligent" or "think" rather than "conceive"—that sort of thing. Well, not that you'll necessarily have many opportunities to refer to cheese as fromage, but...surely you wouldn't say "FRAH-MIJ". I have a friend who seems to be doing the opposite of de-pomposifying, both in vocabulary and pronunciation. He's someone who I'm frequently in conversation with, so...it irks me a little (maybe as a sort of signifier of our differences and some of his less endearing quirks) - no matter which way we're going, he'll use a word like rapprochement (with immaculate French pronunciation - as if he were sitting for a high school French exam), or pronounce Motorik as if he were auditioning for Neu! (I mean, this is 100% a word I expected to die only seeing in print, so...I'm really taking him at his word here), psychedelia with "deal" in the middle, and sitar he says thusly: SEE-tar (see, this is what I mean - he may very well be right, but...it comes off like an act of perverse stubbornness and self seriousness to implicitly correct every other living person you or I will ever meet). I don't know where he stands on Moog, but...again...I can probably guess that he will not bend to standard usage. In the end, it all strikes me as hopelessly affected, but...I think this paragraph makes it rather clear that this is more my problem than his. The only real policy I have is to speak a common language (for practical purposes). I know how Robert Moog's family name is pronounced, but...unless I am addressing him face to face, I'm quite happy to use the same pronunciation as (premier Moog-ist) Linda McCartney. There is a great wide world between folksy and affected, and...I think most of us live there.
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Post by loveless on Feb 19, 2024 20:26:42 GMT
And, yet -
"default" is one that kills me to hear with the emphasis on the first syllable (and the long vowel).
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Feb 19, 2024 20:44:34 GMT
And, yet - "default" is one that kills me to hear with the emphasis on the first syllable (and the long vowel). I only post this because it's something I teach from time to time... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial-stress-derived_noun(rebel, record, refuse...)
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Post by loveless on Feb 19, 2024 20:52:18 GMT
See, that's maddening. Permit, record, rebel, refuse, etc. all make perfect sense to me in their duality, and yet default grates horribly (convention be damned). This most certainly means that I am mispronouncing it half of the time, but...you can't know how stubbornly intractable I feel on this.
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Post by rayge on Feb 19, 2024 22:09:44 GMT
psychedelia with "deal" in the middle I do this, and as far as I know (not a word that comes up in conversation very often ) so does everyone else I know. I guess it's to do wth the double vowel changing the syllabification (if that's actually a word). Maybe it has something to do with the pronunciation of the name Delia. I certainly pronounce psychedelic with a sort ssecond 'e' and the penultimate syllable as DELL
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Post by loveless on Feb 19, 2024 22:34:46 GMT
psychedelia with "deal" in the middle I do this, and as far as I know (not a word that comes up in conversation very often ) so does everyone else I know. I guess it's to do wth the double vowel changing the syllabification (if that's actually a word). Maybe it has something to do with the pronunciation of the name Delia. I certainly pronounce psychedelic with a sort ssecond 'e' and the penultimate syllable as DELL Oh, for sure - and this could very well be the day that I learn that I'm the only person NOT saying "DEAL". Tropicalia is another word I tend to walk extremely wide circles around (and, as you say, this may never come up). Regarding my friend, it may strike me more due to its role as (to my mind) part of a series of "infractions".
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Post by souphound on Feb 20, 2024 0:08:39 GMT
It's like no one can just pronounce homage "AHM-midge" any more. They have to pretend-say "oh-MAHDGE". That's funny, because I'm pretty sure I heard the French pronunciation long before I heard the other, so the other seems a little wrong to me, although I don't mind it. As a native francophone, may I ask for the "D" to be removed from "oh-MAH DGE" in order to achieve proper frenchitude, please. Merci. Sounds the same as fromage.
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Post by DarknessFish on Feb 20, 2024 8:45:23 GMT
That's funny, because I'm pretty sure I heard the French pronunciation long before I heard the other, so the other seems a little wrong to me, although I don't mind it. As a native francophone, may I ask for the "D" to be removed from "oh-MAH DGE" in order to achieve proper frenchitude, please. Merci. Sounds the same as fromage. Rhymes with garage, right?
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Post by souphound on Feb 20, 2024 18:29:23 GMT
As a native francophone, may I ask for the "D" to be removed from "oh-MAH DGE" in order to achieve proper frenchitude, please. Merci. Sounds the same as fromage. Rhymes with garage, right? Well, depending on how you pronounce garage of course. But yes.
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