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Post by oh oooh on Apr 17, 2024 10:28:45 GMT
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Post by rayge on Apr 17, 2024 10:34:57 GMT
For those who can't see it - ie everyone, slack work John - it's The Ramones miming to Baby I Love You on Top of the Pops.
I vote hit of course, and I'll say why when I get back from going for a limp with the Scrap.
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Post by oh oooh on Apr 17, 2024 10:35:49 GMT
Yeah, I don't know what the fuck's going on with the video. Anyway I'm on a train and can't sort it now.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Apr 17, 2024 11:49:04 GMT
Oh that..I've always really liked it. I don't why I like it so much given it doesn't really add too much to the original, but Joey does lay down a great vocal on it. I suppose Ramones die-hards might not like it because there's a lot more of Spector on it than The Ramones in terms of the sound, but that doesn't bother me really.
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Post by fearlessfreap on Apr 17, 2024 11:49:52 GMT
I'm assuming it's the Spector Ramones. I don't want the Ramones with strings. I was ok when they added a 4th chord, but no strings, please. It's like adding a David Sandborn sax solo to an AC/DC song.
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Post by Sneelock on Apr 17, 2024 15:52:06 GMT
I agree with everything 'freap says in theory. in practice, I guess I'm just a sucker for Joey's voice. the influence of Girl Groups on the R's was pretty easy to spot. I think it was a good idea to get Joey to do something like this when they did.
as for the LP, I like a lot of it. overall, I think Spector blew it. it seems to me that his job was to make a Ramones album that would be HUGE and he failed. I don't blame him for letting Joey be a Girl Group since Spector knew a little something about how to do that.
I like it better now than I did then. "...rock & roll radio" & "chinese rock" go on the cherry picker pile. I don't listen to "baby I love you" very often but it sounds like it was a good idea to let joey & Phil get that out of their system.
also, I like the idea of Johnny Ramone having his leadership role negated. I love the guy but bullies need to be taken down a notch from time to time.
I AM sorry the R's had to die before they became as famous as Johnny always seemed to know they deserved to be. too bad he was such a jerk. PHil was a bigger jerk. the album was not huge and Johnny would never not be the bigger jerk again.
that's the way it looks to me. spit. ding.
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Post by fonz on Apr 17, 2024 17:42:41 GMT
I think it’s shit. It’s not what listen to the Ramones for, if I bother to listen at all.
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Post by Charlie O. on Apr 18, 2024 0:50:34 GMT
I bought the 45, only because it was a RAMONES 45 and I'd never seen one of those in an actual store before. Played it once.
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Post by DarknessFish on Apr 18, 2024 6:58:47 GMT
It's OK. The Ramones really only needed to exist for their first album, as far as I'm concerned. That's where their bubblegum pop sensibility really shone, and they didn't need the overt sentimentality of the Spector arrangement.
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Post by oh oooh on Apr 18, 2024 7:34:31 GMT
I'm pretty sure it was the first Ramones I heard, around the age of 12, when pop music was a big colourful mess of hits and of course you weren't discerning. Or actually I suppose you were...but it was all personal/internal, and nothing to do with 'taste' or critics or anything like that.
It was a moderate hit in the UK and it was definitely popular at school, I remember. So my first impressions of the band were this hit, with the yelping vocals and this Spanish-sounding name 'Ramones'. I wasn't a huge fan but I liked it. It was just another thing you heard - there seemed to be a lot of slightly strange tunes around then, pushing into the charts.
It wasn't until many years later that I realised the Ramones were a punk band, and 'Baby I Love You' was a cover. But your first impressions count for a lot.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Apr 18, 2024 7:38:53 GMT
Rock n' Roll Radio was a minor hit. I always thought that one was great.
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Post by oh oooh on Apr 18, 2024 7:41:44 GMT
Yeah, that too. Might have preferred it, actually.
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Post by loveless on Apr 18, 2024 13:33:45 GMT
I can't imagine anyone deliberately listening to this for pleasure.
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Post by Sneelock on Apr 18, 2024 15:43:14 GMT
Riff Randall?
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Post by rayge on Apr 18, 2024 17:47:53 GMT
End of the Century was the last Ramones album - and indeed last Spector production - I ever bought - or, at least, extensively played.
Of course it was a mismatch, and the album was a bit of a disappointment (Rock & Roll High School, and that amazing opening, aside). The Ramones were always a pop band to me, and had a distinctly retro high school sound on some tracks - 7-11, for instance, probably my favourite individual track by them - so it made sense for me for Joey to sing a version of a 60s' girl group song. Going up against Ronnie Bennett as a lead vocalist is a losing proposition, but Joey makes a fair fist of what was one of the Ronettes' - and indeed the Philles label as a whole - lesser tracks. I don't know if Phil was trying to send his ex a message. Maybe.
Anyway, I voted hit.
btw, did anyone else on here see the original quartet (i.e., Tommy not Marky) play live? They really were something else.
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