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Post by oh oooh on Apr 22, 2019 20:21:12 GMT
...that there is not a single thing wrong with any of these songs?
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Post by toomanyhatz on Apr 22, 2019 20:27:34 GMT
It took me a long time to learn to appreciate "Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby." I still think it's a little willfully murky, but I find that a bit more charming than I used to. Would it be better if Jimmy Miller had produced it? Maybe.
Whether that's something 'wrong' or not depends on how you define that. I've learned to like it a great deal, and at least accept it how it is, so I guess I'm in, at very least, somewhat conditional agreement.
The rest are pretty much perfect, though "Death of a Clown" is far from my favorite song of the period. (Though of course we're speaking of a golden period, so that's sort of praising with faint damnation.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 20:55:55 GMT
No complaints from me, although that Bowie song works best in the context of the album rather than on its own.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 21:00:57 GMT
It took me a long time to learn to appreciate "Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby." I still think it's a little willfully murky, but I find that a bit more charming than I used to. Would it be better if Jimmy Miller had produced it? Maybe. Whether that's something 'wrong' or not depends on how you define that. I've learned to like it a great deal, and at least accept it how it is, so I guess I'm in, at very least, somewhat conditional agreement. The rest are pretty much perfect, though "Death of a Clown" is far from my favorite song of the period. (Though of course we're speaking of a golden period, so that's sort of praising with faint damnation.) Death of a Clown kinda sucks. |
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Post by oh oooh on Apr 22, 2019 21:20:50 GMT
WHAT?!?
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Post by tg on Apr 22, 2019 21:37:29 GMT
Satellite of Love is wonderful but the Velvet’s version has that Velvet’s-ness that I love. Death of a Clown may not suck but I’ve never been much of a fan of the Dave Davies songs. After the Goldrush is a bit too whiny voiced for my taste.
The Saints track is a thing of absolute beauty and near perfection. Beatles, Stones and Floyd are great, timeless. The Bowie is fine and dandy but far from his best.
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Post by countmachuki on Apr 22, 2019 21:38:37 GMT
I'm the guy who doesn't like 'Satellite of Love'
I think it's overproduced.
And the lyrics are corny/banal.
And the backing vocals are terrible.
I've been around and around about this before, and I don't expect anybody to agree, but that track is just not for me.
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Post by DarknessFish on Apr 22, 2019 21:42:02 GMT
The Bowie track is quite poor, really doesn't have the kind of sense of ambition and artistry of his earlier work. And I recall being annoyed by the bing bong bings of the lou Reed track.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 23:02:13 GMT
Satellite of Love is just sublime - a beautiful happy song with a very sad heart, there's something incredibly moving about the way the song slows down to reveal its inner solitude.
Golden Years is so poised and assured, it just glides along. Both fantastic.
The weakest track listed is I'm Stranded. It's okay but nothing The New York Dolls didn't do better.
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Post by fange on Apr 23, 2019 5:38:40 GMT
Not a single thing i would complain about with any of them. All A+ great.
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Post by osgood on Apr 23, 2019 11:31:06 GMT
I consider Have You Seen My Baby as a low point in the Stones 60s singles run, but that's still quite a high level. The Saints song plays in a different league (and is 90 seconds longer than needed). The rest is top top class. My rank
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Post by rayge on Apr 23, 2019 17:01:43 GMT
Nope, we're not.
Station to Station is not as bad as Young Americans, but it's still rubbish, and Bowie's mooing attempts at soulfulness are horrible. He just hasn't got the voice for it. Satellite of Love is no better than OK, maybe I heard it too often. Paperback Writer is way overplayed and I didn't think that much of it when it was released – I preferred Rain. After the Gold Rush may be the best of whiny Neil, but it's not a patch on, say, Zuma or Like a Hurricane or anything on Tonights's the Night, Stranded is all right, like a lot of punk was all right.I've grown to like Have You Seen Your Mother much more than when it first appeared. Arnold Layne and Death of a Clown are pretty much perfectly formed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 17:34:48 GMT
Is 'Golden Years' even trying to be a soul record? It has elements of soul, but its too idiosyncratic to be called a soul record ( or even a failed soul record if you want to be mean). Bowie's vocal seems closer to crooning than the approach taken by a conventional soul vocal. Whatever..for me it's close to perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 17:57:35 GMT
Is 'Golden Years' even trying to be a soul record? It has elements of soul, but its too idiosyncratic to be called a soul record ( or even a failed soul record if you want to be mean). Bowie's vocal seems closer to crooning than the approach taken by a conventional soul vocal. Whatever..for me it's close to perfect. I think you're right, but he seems to be emulating the more controlled soul crooning of the Dells, Whispers and Manhattans more than anything. |
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Post by rayge on Apr 23, 2019 18:04:15 GMT
Is 'Golden Years' even trying to be a soul record? It has elements of soul, but its too idiosyncratic to be called a soul record ( or even a failed soul record if you want to be mean). Bowie's vocal seems closer to crooning than the approach taken by a conventional soul vocal. Whatever..for me it's close to perfect. Fair comment about the singing. It's just faked soul wankery is what I associate with that TWD coked-out nonsense with which he blotted his escutcheon so copiously. Soulful vocalizing may be what he imagined he was doing with that 'crooning' (I prefer 'mooing' but we're both talking about the same thing), though. It's the same problem whenever he tries to be sincere rather than indulging his talent for camp folderol. He can't really convey deep emotion because he just doesn't have the voice – or maybe the emotional depth – to make it convincing. It's 'soulful' only in the intra-war English sense of mooning about, having large wet brown eyes and maybe affecting a 'poetic' floppy fringe. |
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