|
Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 19, 2019 22:02:32 GMT
Who won then?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 23:03:00 GMT
Johnson was a glib, superficial stuck record who gave the impression that he'd have nothing to talk about without Brexit. Corbyn came across as principled, serious and in touch. However his refusal to say which way he will campaign will damage him and he will need to come up with a straight answer for that, if only to get it out of the way. Corbyn was certainly the more impressive but I don't think he'll turn around anyone who disliked him beforehand.
|
|
|
Post by The Red Heifer on Nov 20, 2019 0:42:28 GMT
I'd hate to live in a country where the Opposition was sitting tight in Parliament, listening to the PM's ideas respectfully and discussing matters harmoniously. It's not pleasant. Sorry, it's not QUITE like that here, it's more along the lines of "argue the toss for the sake of it and then just wave policy through like the cowards we are" with the Labor Party down here
|
|
|
Post by oh oooh on Nov 20, 2019 5:41:42 GMT
Johnson was a glib, superficial stuck record who gave the impression that he'd have nothing to talk about without Brexit. Corbyn came across as principled, serious and in touch. However his refusal to say which way he will campaign will damage him and he will need to come up with a straight answer for that, if only to get it out of the way. Corbyn was certainly the more impressive but I don't think he'll turn around anyone who disliked him beforehand. I don't think anyone's mind will be changed. It was RUBISHE
|
|
|
Post by The Red Heifer on Nov 20, 2019 8:39:39 GMT
I like how the Conservative press office twitter account thought it could try to impersonate one of those fact checker accounts like NO ONE WOULD NOTICE, what dumbarses!
|
|
|
Post by DarknessFish on Nov 20, 2019 9:42:23 GMT
I like how the Conservative press office twitter account thought it could try to impersonate one of those fact checker accounts like NO ONE WOULD NOTICE, what dumbarses! I think this is a deliberate strategy by the tories, they don't really believe that anyone would be taken in by the account for long, they're just hoping that the media will be talking about it the next day. The fact that they're subverting social media makes them look more clued up with current technology, and they can also ensure that people are talking about the tories again on the news the next day. It's just about dominating coverage on news and social media via outrage they can dismiss as a triviality. It's probably used to nudge the discussion in the direction they want, e.g. "We don't apologise for pointing out labour lies about the NHS..."
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 9:49:05 GMT
A lot of the electorate won't know what it's about anyway. I have no idea what a "fact checker account" is.
|
|
|
Post by oh oooh on Nov 20, 2019 10:01:00 GMT
A lot of the electorate won't know what it's about anyway. I have no idea what a "fact checker account" is. but you've only sent two texts in your life! I think a fair proportion know what this means. It's another cynical move by the Tories.
|
|
|
Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 20, 2019 11:05:59 GMT
I think the bigger issue is people not giving a fuck about Twitter.
It's one of these funny things where the Twitter dwelling bubbleheads think THIS IS THE WORLD when the vast majority of the public have no interest at all.
|
|
|
Post by The Red Heifer on Nov 20, 2019 21:03:37 GMT
I think the bigger issue is people not giving a fuck about Twitter. It's one of these funny things where the Twitter dwelling bubbleheads think THIS IS THE WORLD when the vast majority of the public have no interest at all. I love twitter. I blame my mum for always telling me that no one wanted to hear my opinions It should be used more and taken more seriously, but it's a shitshow populated my partisan shouty fuckwits (myself included)
|
|
|
Post by tory on Nov 21, 2019 7:05:03 GMT
As much as I think govt supported housing is a necessary thing, 75 billion and the statistics for building houses since the 80s is just farcical. At least be realistic rather than pie in the sky thinking. Does Corbyn think people are stupid?
It is incredibly difficult to build houses in Britain, particularly on green belt land. It is also very difficult to overturn or change this legislation for a reason.
An alternative would be to cut immigration, thus reducing the demand for housing. Jeremy isnt going to do that though.
|
|
|
Post by oh oooh on Nov 21, 2019 10:03:23 GMT
It is incredibly difficult to build houses in Britain, particularly on green belt land. It is also very difficult to overturn or change this legislation for a reason. There's lots of space. Think outside your Tunbridge Wells/London box. Where do we need houses? And if he's laid out a detailed plan, I guess he's worked out how to deal with the legislation.
|
|
|
Post by Cousin Lou on Nov 21, 2019 11:03:46 GMT
As much as I think govt supported housing is a necessary thing, 75 billion and the statistics for building houses since the 80s is just farcical. At least be realistic rather than pie in the sky thinking. Does Corbyn think people are stupid? It is incredibly difficult to build houses in Britain, particularly on green belt land. It is also very difficult to overturn or change this legislation for a reason. An alternative would be to cut immigration, thus reducing the demand for housing. Jeremy isnt going to do that though. Yes or kick out the Paki's and unemployed.
|
|
|
Post by tory on Nov 21, 2019 11:56:44 GMT
Every single PM in the post-war period has pledged to build more houses and most of them have failed.
Thatcher was the last one to build 300,000 back in the 80s.
So it is not a new problem and I'm struggling to see how Corbyn will suddenly solve the issue where others have failed.
It is a case of land and it is not simply getting people or the industry to say "oh they should just build more houses". There are a number of extremely complicated practicalities concerning housing that impede the desire to build.
First and foremost, we are a country of countryside lovers. Nearly 6 million people are members of the National Trust, which tells everyone that the preservation of the countryside and the natural beauty we have here is a significant concern. Do we lose the countryside that is left to satisfy the need to build more housing.
People generally don't like more housing. They like the idea of it as a concept that as long as it doesn't affect me directly, I'm ok with it. But when new developments appear near them, the consensus is that everyone's inner conservative kicks in, thus Nimbyism, which I think is a natural concern.
I really think that one can talk about immigration and not revert to racism. It is sad that educated people can make that sort of judgement about someone when they bring up the subject.
Migration watch, whose predictions on the numbers of people coming to the UK have been consistently correct over the last two decades, have predicted 3 million more people in the UK in the next 10 years. That is a new Greater Manchester essentially. What sort of impact is that going to have on services, infrastructure, jobs and housing?
Wages will remain low and rents will continue to rise.
|
|
|
Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 21, 2019 12:29:36 GMT
I think the bigger issue is people not giving a fuck about Twitter. It's one of these funny things where the Twitter dwelling bubbleheads think THIS IS THE WORLD when the vast majority of the public have no interest at all. I love twitter. I blame my mum for always telling me that no one wanted to hear my opinions It should be used more and taken more seriously, but it's a shitshow populated my partisan shouty fuckwits (myself included)
People ruin everything.
|
|