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Post by DarknessFish on Dec 15, 2019 21:30:46 GMT
Anyway it looks like Rebecca Long-Bailey is going to take over as Labour leader, so that's them fucked for another decade or so. Can't see it myself. Too close to Corbyn. I think this time, the PLP's opinions will be more well-heeded.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 21:43:02 GMT
I'd argue that the main thing that shifted the vote in the traditional labour strongholds was the possibility of real change. I don't think people believe political parties of either persuasion, and there's very little evidence that in these neglected parts of the country that it was the possibility of free broadband that was the main driver for a huge swing to the tories. Whether the economy has been booming, or whether we've had austerity, very little changes for the people of communities which have seen no investment, and no interest from Westminster. They still know that the Tories aren't interested in them. But they know that Brexit will bring a very real shock to the system, and they're just hoping that shock rebalances the economy to include them, just as the shock of Thatcherism excluded them. The fear that the economy will suffer doesn't hit home, because their economy always suffers. They ain't worrying about GDP. I think what you've written makes a lot of sense.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 16, 2019 10:28:16 GMT
She's using it as a slight of hand to argue against the notion that Labour has lost the working classes a few days before Labour got their arses kicked. I'm aware of the kind of office work she refers to, I've been there, so I get what she's saying but it's a funny argument considering what's happened. Sarkar, Jones, et al are dogma muppets who live in a London bubble. They have no influence outside of making right wingers laugh. If you think they are a good example of modern left wing thinking then your problems are bigger than you realise. The headline is misleading, but then journalists don't choose headlines, sub-editors do. The article makes no prediction on how Labour will perform in the election. The article is arguing for a wider definition of working class. Sarker and Jones live in no more of a bubble than any other metropolitan journalist, in fact I bet they've got a better understanding of the average person than your average political journalist. We're never going to agree on this stuff because you're developing such an obsessive hatred of the left.
Bastani, Jones and Sarkar. Cower in fear Tories. Apologists and cultists. Did you read Bastani’s tweet when he compared Corbyn to a master cricketeer at the crease during the Andrew Neil interview? No? You should because that’s the level they are at I’m afraid. Jones has spent the last few years sucking up Corbyns arse after he initially called him correctly like the needy, hypocritical little shit he is. youtu.be/UE8ziCvSBSwPoor Sarkar. A paid up cult member and an apologist for racism. It’s not a good look.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 11:18:46 GMT
I'm not interested in Bastani, you're the one who keeps bringing him up.
It's really not all that surprising that they'd say generally positive things about Corbyn during an election campaign that they wanted him to win. Especially given the overwhelmingly negative attitude towards him from most of the rest of the mainstream media - I thought you were in favour of balance? I'm bored talking about this to be honest.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 16, 2019 13:12:09 GMT
They’re all pals! Sarkar and Bastani did a live feed together on election night. Owen Jones is part of the same set.
G, they are clowns man. The exact kind of dogma twats the party needs to get rid of if it’s gonna move forward I’m afraid.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 13:24:24 GMT
youtu.be/UE8ziCvSBSwPoor Sarkar. A paid up cult member and an apologist for racism. It’s not a good look. [/quote] It's a better look than that fat, smug, complacent fool next to her who seems to think Israel is some beacon of open transparency who never act with aggression towards their neighbours..oh no. Why don't you spend the afternoon looking up videos and links to do with him? It might make a change for you.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 16, 2019 15:34:52 GMT
It surely says summat when you can't just go "yeah she bollocksed that" instead of attacking the "fat" fella in this video. It just shows either her ignorance or denial in regards to Corbyn (or both).
Sarkar is one of these twitter twats shouting very loudly in her echo chamber who satisfies the role of millennial far left rent-a-gob (luxury communism now!) when people are looking for some social media lefty for Question Time or summat. She's managed to locate herself a wee niche after the Morgan incident, good luck to the dreadful twat but she is not to be taken seriously and, frankly, she does her side no favours at all. On the contrary, I think such gobshites do the left a disservice.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 16, 2019 15:42:13 GMT
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 16, 2019 15:47:41 GMT
I'd argue that the main thing that shifted the vote in the traditional labour strongholds was the possibility of real change. I don't think people believe political parties of either persuasion, and there's very little evidence that in these neglected parts of the country that it was the possibility of free broadband that was the main driver for a huge swing to the tories. Whether the economy has been booming, or whether we've had austerity, very little changes for the people of communities which have seen no investment, and no interest from Westminster. They still know that the Tories aren't interested in them. But they know that Brexit will bring a very real shock to the system, and they're just hoping that shock rebalances the economy to include them, just as the shock of Thatcherism excluded them. The fear that the economy will suffer doesn't hit home, because their economy always suffers. They ain't worrying about GDP. You say the Tories aren't interested in them and, yet, they listened to them on Brexit. They promised to cut immigration and end freedom of movement so they are listening to them there too. These are big issues and the Tories are doing something about it. This is partly why they won. Because in some pretty fundamental ways they are interested in them.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 16, 2019 16:03:03 GMT
Labour "winning the argument" apparently. Lord knows what losing the argument would look like.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 16:05:53 GMT
It surely says summat when you can't just go "yeah she bollocksed that" instead of attacking the "fat" fella in this video. It just shows either her ignorance or denial in regards to Corbyn (or both). Oh for goodness sake. She doesn't even say anything in the video you posted, the other fella does all the talking and you want me to be up in arms about it? This is getting very silly.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 16, 2019 16:27:10 GMT
It surely says summat when you can't just go "yeah she bollocksed that" instead of attacking the "fat" fella in this video. It just shows either her ignorance or denial in regards to Corbyn (or both). Oh for goodness sake. She doesn't even say anything in the video you posted, the other fella does all the talking and you want me to be up in arms about it? This is getting very silly.
He said corbyn is conspiratorial and used his hand of Israel comment as evidence which Sarkar denied he ever said when he clearly did. That's the point. You supported the silly cunt! I'm just pointing out she;s not someone to be taken seriously. She's just another silly social media drone. The left needs better,
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 16, 2019 16:28:09 GMT
I bet she does fuck like a champ though....rrrrraaar!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 17:40:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 18:42:58 GMT
Anyway, it's already going wrong for Boris. I do have to question the appointment of Brian Clough as the new Secretary for Wales.
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