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Post by davey on Sept 18, 2023 15:13:49 GMT
I'll wait for the evidence and the jury to make their minds up. We were here with Kevin Spacey a few years ago, it must be said, and those turned out to be completely baseless accusations. I suspect that Brand is a sleazebag. I have no like for him and am not surprised that these accusations have emerged. You were the one who jumped to “witch hunt” - so perhaps you might have waited on that. Then you asked if this was gonna solve the problem of powerful men wanting to exploit beautiful young women - the implication being that it isn’t worthwhile to hold any one powerful man to account for his actions unless doing so completely solves the entire societal problem. Those are the positions you’ve taken today. I’m simply saying that the issue at hand is Russell Brand, and accountability for his actions.
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Post by harrylemon on Sept 18, 2023 15:24:18 GMT
I'll wait for the evidence and the jury to make their minds up. Yet you posted another person's name as being "probably next" No Jury for him?
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Post by tory on Sept 18, 2023 15:40:01 GMT
I mentioned Noel Fielding as someone who will probably be next in terms of accusations. I made no reference to whether he is guilty or not.
Nowhere did I mention that people shouldn't be held to account for their actions. You implied that - I didn't say it.
The problem, as I see it, is that this is an extremely murky area. There are men who ruthlessly exploit women for sex and by being powerful, are able to exploit that situation to their advantage. Should these men be held accountable for their actions? Of course they should be.
It becomes more murky when the person accused suddenly doesn't fit the narrative. Brand went from being a quirky, but to some, likeable person to in the words of some on here, "a grifter". He was "Guardian Hero of the Year" in 2014; would the accusations have held more traction if he had been "Telegraph Hero of the Year?". Suddenly he's moral garbage and he has not had the chance to defend himself. People are, generally, innocent until proven guilty.
I am not under any illusion that Brand, being wealthy, will exploit his financial resources to the max to protect himself and that, perhaps like others of his ilk, he is able to do so in a manner that others might not. Out of court settlement is probably likely - perhaps not. We do not know if these accusations are true yet. Given the lengthy time of the Kevin Spacey situation, where he was judged guilty in a moral sense long before the trial began and effectively had his career destroyed in a matter of days, I sit uneasily with this sort of mass judgement about someone. Yes, if I'm honest, given the weight of evidence emerging about him, I'm probably, on a gut instinct, likely to think he's guilty. But I also thought about Spacey as well. The media circus around it all is very persuasive and to me, Brand was not a likeable man to me at least, partly because he is very charismatic, but then I don't know him. It has been two days and already there are a number of articles flying about on him that are detailing "what he's like in real life". He is being judged by us and the media and the due process has not started yet.
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Post by harrylemon on Sept 18, 2023 16:11:16 GMT
I mentioned Noel Fielding as someone who will probably be next in terms of accusations. I made no reference to whether he is guilty or not. Nowhere did I mention that people shouldn't be held to account for their actions. You implied that - I didn't say it. The problem, as I see it, is that this is an extremely murky area. There are men who ruthlessly exploit women for sex and by being powerful, are able to exploit that situation to their advantage. Should these men be held accountable for their actions? Of course they should be. It becomes more murky when the person accused suddenly doesn't fit the narrative. Brand went from being a quirky, but to some, likeable person to in the words of some on here, "a grifter". He was "Guardian Hero of the Year" in 2014; would the accusations have held more traction if he had been "Telegraph Hero of the Year?". Suddenly he's moral garbage and he has not had the chance to defend himself. People are, generally, innocent until proven guilty. I am not under any illusion that Brand, being wealthy, will exploit his financial resources to the max to protect himself and that, perhaps like others of his ilk, he is able to do so in a manner that others might not. Out of court settlement is probably likely - perhaps not. We do not know if these accusations are true yet. Given the lengthy time of the Kevin Spacey situation, where he was judged guilty in a moral sense long before the trial began and effectively had his career destroyed in a matter of days, I sit uneasily with this sort of mass judgement about someone. Yes, if I'm honest, given the weight of evidence emerging about him, I'm probably, on a gut instinct, likely to think he's guilty. But I also thought about Spacey as well. The media circus around it all is very persuasive and to me, Brand was not a likeable man to me at least, partly because he is very charismatic, but then I don't know him. It has been two days and already there are a number of articles flying about on him that are detailing "what he's like in real life". He is being judged by us and the media and the due process has not started yet. Your post about Fielding was a bit vague then. I've never really seen anything of Brand's comedy stuff till the programme on Saturday night. I mainly knew him as someone with a really shite hairstyle and doing voices in some kids movies that I'd seen with the kids. What struck me was that he seems to have created a "Russell Brand" character but it seemed from the clips shown that the line between the two persona's was quite thin. Amateur analysis absolutely but that's what came across to me.
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Post by davey on Sept 18, 2023 16:30:56 GMT
Brand was a grifter long before these allegations.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Sept 18, 2023 19:23:33 GMT
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Post by Charlie O. on Sept 18, 2023 19:47:05 GMT
Honestly, if you name your daughters Peaches and Pixie, you're just asking for this sort of trouble, aren't you?
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Post by oh oooh on Sept 18, 2023 19:53:18 GMT
re: Spacey - he was a serial groper at LEAST. Slider was propositioned by him ffs
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Post by adamcoan on Sept 18, 2023 19:54:26 GMT
re: Spacey - he was a serial groper at LEAST. Slider was propositioned by him ffs Your memory is fading Johnny. It was the other way round.
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Post by oh oooh on Sept 18, 2023 19:59:37 GMT
Ha ha ha
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Sept 18, 2023 20:04:23 GMT
Honestly, if you name your daughters Peaches and Pixie, you're just asking for this sort of trouble, aren't you? Hanging out with 30 year old blokes on pills/coke/meth Gross. Walliams is shady I suspect. The whole slightly camp act is surely a ruse. Let’s face it, the entertainment industry attracts perverts and degenerates like flies to shit.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Sept 18, 2023 20:09:54 GMT
The impression I got with Spacey is that he was a little bit Uncle Monty.
But you get those older gay men who are always lusting after young meat and are a bit loose with their hands don’t you?
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Post by oh oooh on Sept 18, 2023 20:14:45 GMT
It's not unusual!
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Sept 18, 2023 20:21:10 GMT
If Spacey tried to grab my arse I’d probably be quite flattered
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Post by oh oooh on Sept 18, 2023 20:28:59 GMT
He's a lecherous old git and probably feels entitled to a bit of young backside whenever he fancies (read about his mock outrage/sweary speech in court for something approaching proof). He's lucky to avoid jail.
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