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Post by rayge on Jun 7, 2021 12:04:55 GMT
I was a big fan when she wrote for the NME - I have a signed copy of that book she did with Parsons – and the Face, when she was still in thrall to her commie dad and general Brislingtonian boishieness, but success and cocaine has rotted her soul. Still an excellent read though, no matter the drivelling content.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 12:38:01 GMT
I was a big fan when she wrote for the NME - I have a signed copy of that book she did with Parsons – and the Face, when she was still in thrall to her commie dad and general Brislingtonian boishieness, but success and cocaine has rotted her soul. Still an excellent read though, no matter the drivelling content. Would agree with this more or less, other than the last sentence. She was and is a lazy writer, very little actual thought went into any of her articles. She relied a lot on her quick tongue and doesn't seem to have progressed as a writer beyond adolescence.
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Post by rayge on Jun 7, 2021 13:41:30 GMT
I was a big fan when she wrote for the NME - I have a signed copy of that book she did with Parsons – and the Face, when she was still in thrall to her commie dad and general Brislingtonian boishieness, but success and cocaine has rotted her soul. Still an excellent read though, no matter the drivelling content. Would agree with this more or less, other than the last sentence. She was and is a lazy writer, very little actual thought went into any of her articles. She relied a lot on her quick tongue and doesn't seem to have progressed as a writer beyond adolescence. I don't think she's lazy: she's a contrarian and polemicist, and I can appreciate the innate skill with words, but, largely because she has written for filth for the last two decades or so, I've read very little since she turned 40
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 14:10:04 GMT
Would agree with this more or less, other than the last sentence. She was and is a lazy writer, very little actual thought went into any of her articles. She relied a lot on her quick tongue and doesn't seem to have progressed as a writer beyond adolescence. I don't think she's lazy: she's a contrarian and polemicist, and I can appreciate the innate skill with words, but, largely because she has written for filth for the last two decades or so, I've read very little since she turned 40 No research goes into what she writes, it's just off the top of the head opinions, that's what I meant.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Jun 7, 2021 15:30:52 GMT
The virus could have come from a box of Cracker Jacks. If guys like Bolsanaro reacted to the threat by standing around with their dicks in their hands then the box of Cracker Jacks is only part of the problem. If we let the people who screwed the pooch off the hook then they will never be motivated to improve. That's what Fox is doing now, and in particular that hack, Steve Hilton. He keeps claiming that Fauci intentionally lied about the origin and how "mainstream" reporters bought into it. I think Fauci is learning about the virus almost as much in real time as we are. I forget what news show it was, but months ago some doctors made a compelling case for it having lab origins. And I don't put it past China. But as you say, it was Trump, Bolsnaro and others negligence that fucked up everyone. And last weekend, Trump took credit for the vaccination roll out at his rally. Didn't get much of a response with that brain dead crowd.
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Post by tory on Jun 7, 2021 15:53:54 GMT
But as you say, it was Trump, Bolsnaro and others negligence that fucked up everyone. Personally I'm not so sure. Yes, Trump et al made themselves look foolish by underestimating the virulence and its potential lethality by dismissing it and potentially setting the wrong tone for their citizens. The information coming out from China was emerging in bits and parts and people were adapting to the knowledge they had. The disease is highly infectious. I think that whoever was in charge in countries like the US or Brazil would have had to deal with the reality of a pandemic in their country from multiple entry points. A huge country like the US would simply not have the infrastructure to shut out a disease entirely. NZ manages it to a certain extent because it has essentially has two cities that entertain all global air traffic. Crucially too, in April last year NZ was heading into winter when global traffic to it slows considerably. The US? Thousands of miles of border and at least two cities with more people in them than NZ itself and countless cities with international airports. The fact that the disease has turned up in Antarctica shows just how infectious it is. Would another President have set the right tone and crucially, would it have been followed by the population? Whoever was in charge, you would probably get the same result.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 16:02:13 GMT
But as you say, it was Trump, Bolsnaro and others negligence that fucked up everyone. Personally I'm not so sure. Yes, Trump et al made themselves look foolish by underestimating the virulence and its potential lethality by dismissing it and potentially setting the wrong tone for their citizens. The information coming out from China was emerging in bits and parts and people were adapting to the knowledge they had. The disease is highly infectious. I think that whoever was in charge in countries like the US or Brazil would have had to deal with the reality of a pandemic in their country from multiple entry points. A huge country like the US would simply not have the infrastructure to shut out a disease entirely. NZ manages it to a certain extent because it has essentially has two cities that entertain all global air traffic. Crucially too, in April last year NZ was heading into winter when global traffic to it slows considerably. The US? Thousands of miles of border and at least two cities with more people in them than NZ itself and countless cities with international airports. The fact that the disease has turned up in Antarctica shows just how infectious it is. Would another President have set the right tone and crucially, would it have been followed by the population? Whoever was in charge, you would probably get the same result. I'm baffled by the way you continue to find excuses for any politician if they're on the right. Why can't you just condemn them in unequivocal language for once, if that's what they deserve.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Jun 7, 2021 16:07:15 GMT
But as you say, it was Trump, Bolsnaro and others negligence that fucked up everyone. Personally I'm not so sure. Yes, Trump et al made themselves look foolish by underestimating the virulence and its potential lethality by dismissing it and potentially setting the wrong tone for their citizens. The information coming out from China was emerging in bits and parts and people were adapting to the knowledge they had. The disease is highly infectious. I think that whoever was in charge in countries like the US or Brazil would have had to deal with the reality of a pandemic in their country from multiple entry points. A huge country like the US would simply not have the infrastructure to shut out a disease entirely. NZ manages it to a certain extent because it has essentially has two cities that entertain all global air traffic. Crucially too, in April last year NZ was heading into winter when global traffic to it slows considerably. The US? Thousands of miles of border and at least two cities with more people in them than NZ itself and countless cities with international airports. The fact that the disease has turned up in Antarctica shows just how infectious it is. Would another President have set the right tone and crucially, would it have been followed by the population? Whoever was in charge, you would probably get the same result. Granted, Biden hit the ground running when he took office because the vaccinations were ready to go, but I don't think he would have pooh-poohed it like Trump, who said it would magically go away or to drink bleach and shit like that. The man was a medical menace.
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Post by tory on Jun 7, 2021 16:26:27 GMT
I'm baffled by the way you continue to find excuses for any politician if they're on the right. Why can't you just condemn them in unequivocal language for once, if that's what they deserve. If I thought that their actions alone were responsible for how a highly infectious disease did or didn't spread then I would. But given the nature of the disease, I'm just not convinced that it would have made much, if any, difference. We are still in the middle of the Pandemic and I've yet to see any evidence that any country realistically can deal with its spread in an efficacious manner amongst an unvaccinated population unless they are literally the most isolated places in the world. Even countries that weren't that affected by the outbreak are now seeing major issues - see Taiwan and Japan for example. www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/07/a-victim-of-its-own-success-how-taiwan-failed-to-plan-for-a-major-covid-outbreakThe inquest can begin once it is over, or at least when the variants have mutated to such a point where it is rendered relatively benign, which might be years away.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Jun 7, 2021 17:01:34 GMT
Personally I'm not so sure. Yes, Trump et al made themselves look foolish by underestimating the virulence and its potential lethality by dismissing it and potentially setting the wrong tone for their citizens. The information coming out from China was emerging in bits and parts and people were adapting to the knowledge they had. The disease is highly infectious. I think that whoever was in charge in countries like the US or Brazil would have had to deal with the reality of a pandemic in their country from multiple entry points. A huge country like the US would simply not have the infrastructure to shut out a disease entirely. NZ manages it to a certain extent because it has essentially has two cities that entertain all global air traffic. Crucially too, in April last year NZ was heading into winter when global traffic to it slows considerably. The US? Thousands of miles of border and at least two cities with more people in them than NZ itself and countless cities with international airports. The fact that the disease has turned up in Antarctica shows just how infectious it is. Would another President have set the right tone and crucially, would it have been followed by the population? Whoever was in charge, you would probably get the same result. I'm baffled by the way you continue to find excuses for any politician if they're on the right. Why can't you just condemn them in unequivocal language for once, if that's what they deserve. I am too, but didn't go there.
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Post by rayge on Jun 7, 2021 17:11:52 GMT
I don't think she's lazy: she's a contrarian and polemicist, and I can appreciate the innate skill with words, but, largely because she has written for filth for the last two decades or so, I've read very little since she turned 40 No research goes into what she writes, it's just off the top of the head opinions, that's what I meant. Me too, more or less - it's just that I lkke that. I wouldn't go to her for facts .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 18:21:00 GMT
I'm baffled by the way you continue to find excuses for any politician if they're on the right. Why can't you just condemn them in unequivocal language for once, if that's what they deserve. If I thought that their actions alone were responsible for how a highly infectious disease did or didn't spread then I would. But given the nature of the disease, I'm just not convinced that it would have made much, if any, difference. The anti mask and anti vaccine brigade are far bigger in the USthan they are in the UK. Trump supported their views initially and emboldened them and gave their views credibility. Of course that's going to make a difference.
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Post by Sneelock on Jun 7, 2021 21:01:59 GMT
I don't know how it looked from across the big water but here's how it looks to me in the Good Old U.S of A...
The TRUMP Administration's response to COVID was SO oafish and ruled by self interest that it is as plain as the nose on the face. He thanked Xi-Ping for the great job he was doing and told us it was all going to go away - any DAY now for MONTHS. He used his "Daily Briefings" to marginalize the science and used the time as DeFacto campaign rallies! Have we looked into injecting bleach? maybe you should look into that!
"operation warp speed" got the horse to the water - too bad nobody thought about getting him a drink. they had NO goddam plan! Shoot, if they'd distributed the PPE properly and in the time honored fashion they could have hit the ground running. ALL TRUMP did was stick his finger in the air on any given day and figure out how to make others look bad & himself look good.
this is so glaringly obvious that it is my sad duty to report that the entire Republican party has decided to go KOO-KOO rather than admit his response was the wholesale fuck-up we all know it was.
they think he's still president. they think putting TRUMP supporters in charge of everything is going to get him reinstated! He'll be back in August and Biden will be in jail. they have slid entirely off the popsicle stick - the whole kit & kaboodle of them.
Trump blew it - they know it. For some bizarre reason - they refuse to let him go down with the ship. It appears they fully intend that our system of government go down instead.
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Post by Sneelock on Jun 7, 2021 21:11:31 GMT
His heavy hand in spreading "Anti-Mask" & Anti-Asian sentiment should be MUCH more discussed than it is IMO. seriously, tie that guy to the railroad tracks. everything he did should be used as instruction in how NOT to handle something like this.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 8, 2021 10:36:33 GMT
www.wsj.com/articles/the-science-suggests-a-wuhan-lab-leak-11622995184It's getting juicier. Meanwhile Fauci revealed the NIH helped fund the Wuhan institute (and misrepresents the amount) and the emails that were released through the FOI request show he was aware that the virus was possibly "engineered" early doors yet denied this possibility. Not a good look and kinda odd that he didn't have a more open mind to begin with.
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