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Post by Reactionary Rage on Mar 24, 2020 15:14:45 GMT
I feel something similar about Russia btw but fancy St Petersburg. Neither appeal. But why wouldn't you go. Do you think by travelling there and see things with your own eyes you're actively supporting the government? I've never had that much of an interest in China so it's easier to be put off by the bad things but the bad things are so bad it can't help but repulse me a bit. Part of me is a bit like, "fuck that country", you know? I don't judge people who do go to places like that mind but it's not for me at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 15:18:33 GMT
Poor Owen. I'm guessing socialism is the answer....amiright? He actually makes a good point. Nothing wrong with what he said at all.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Mar 24, 2020 15:31:51 GMT
Thatcher!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 16:24:23 GMT
Well the idea that society became more selfish under her is hardly a controversial one. As usual you're poo-pooing the message because you don't like the messenger.
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Post by Playground LEVINE on Mar 24, 2020 16:26:17 GMT
Actually I read something quite persuasive that said that Thatcher would have handled this crisis much better than BJ because she had no qualms about telling people what to do, and forcefully.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 16:27:03 GMT
Actually I read something quite persuasive that said that Thatcher would have handled this crisis much better than BJ because she had no qualms about telling people what to do, and forcefully. Probably so, yeah.
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Post by tory on Mar 24, 2020 16:28:34 GMT
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Mar 24, 2020 16:38:51 GMT
Well the idea that society became more selfish under her is hardly a controversial one. As usual you're poo-pooing the message because you don't like the messenger. Jones is doing what he does and fashioning some specious argument to support the idea that some people going over the top with loo roll is evidence of the evils of Thatcher and capitalism. Like people haven't been panic buying in strongly collectivist countries like China or Japan as well. It's just people, innit?
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Mar 24, 2020 16:42:44 GMT
"stung by Tory jellyfish" I had hopes for him initially but like a lot of people Brexit, Trump and Corbyn have sent him down the rabbit hole. Shame.
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Post by Playground LEVINE on Mar 24, 2020 16:42:50 GMT
Personally I reckon a lot more people are going to be ambivalent about China. Certainly things like global supply chains and manufacturing that emanates from there will be treated with circumspection if they originate from China. Companies that have everything made in China are going to think twice about it from now on. And as much as I think the Chinese people aren't to blame, it will be them that take the hit whilst the totalitarian regime gets away with murder. Who knows though - Coronavirus could be China's Chernobyl, but I sense that most Chinese people as a whole won't view it that way. /photo/1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 16:43:13 GMT
Well the idea that society became more selfish under her is hardly a controversial one. As usual you're poo-pooing the message because you don't like the messenger. Jones is doing what he does and fashioning some specious argument to support the idea that some people going over the top with loo roll is evidence of the evils of Thatcher and capitalism. Like people haven't been panic buying in strongly collectivist countries like China or Japan as well. It's just people, innit? Do you know that they have? To be honest I really don,t feel like getting into this one in any depth right now, I'd rather post about lighter stuff. But I do think society has got more selfish over the last forty years and that some of the behaviour we've seen reflects that.
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Post by tory on Mar 24, 2020 16:51:47 GMT
That argument is always difficult to define and it's usually based on anecdotal evidence.
The UK population donated £10 billion to charity in 2018. Fewer people donated, but gave more.
On a more atomised level, I think communities have been hit by a sense of isolationism. But that's just my anecdotal observation. 50 years ago, communities, particularly working-class ones, were much more hyper-connected and looked out for one another. People never used to shut their doors, but that's because in most instances there was a woman at home looking after children when they weren't at school.
That has changed, just like the high street has changed. The ultimate reason is that women are at work in a way that was not the case in 1970. Most women work, which means that communities do not have the day-to-day lifeblood and footfall that they had. Equality of opportunity for women in the workplace was going to produce a toll somewhere along the line. That has been exacerbated by the fact that many working-class people "levelled up" in the 80s and 90s to more middle-class lifestyles. Bigger houses, more affable lifestyles and more distance between them and their neighbours. Less sense of community for many, particularly when they can be absorbed by leisure activities, like say, cycling, football and probably more than anything, spending time together as a family rather than with their neighbours.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 16:58:15 GMT
Actually I read something quite persuasive that said that Thatcher would have handled this crisis much better than BJ because she had no qualms about telling people what to do, and forcefully.
And she was an ex-research chemist...
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Post by Playground LEVINE on Mar 24, 2020 17:13:48 GMT
Yes!
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Mar 24, 2020 17:19:23 GMT
Jones is doing what he does and fashioning some specious argument to support the idea that some people going over the top with loo roll is evidence of the evils of Thatcher and capitalism. Like people haven't been panic buying in strongly collectivist countries like China or Japan as well. It's just people, innit? Do you know that they have? To be honest I really don,t feel like getting into this one in any depth right now, I'd rather post about lighter stuff. But I do think society has got more selfish over the last forty years and that some of the behaviour we've seen reflects that. Just news articles - sky, that sorta thing. I haven't been following this story like some. Like I said, I've kinda zoned out recently but I've picked up bits and pieces. I don't necessarily disagree with the notion that people are more selfish but it's a complicated subject and one that goes back past Thatcher. And people buying some loo rolls isn't evidence of it.
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