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Post by Cousin Lou on Mar 31, 2020 10:12:28 GMT
There's going to be a crunch point soon I suspect. Most people will want a return to "normal" life and may say "ok there's a risk, but I'm prepared to take it". Because if things proceed like this, there isn't going to be an economy or a life to return to soonish. Everything is shutting down and having a massive domino effect on other industries. It's all very well saying "we've got to endure 12 weeks of lockdown" but I reckon that people will just start rebelling fairly soon and will want to get on with their lives, because, what else are they going to do? Yeah, I agree. And I don't think anybody REALLY knows how bad it could get if people decide to get out and about again in a couple of weeks. Will things actually be reasonably safe? Will a minority live recklessly and cause a catastrophic 'second wave'? We're arguably among the least obedient of European peoples, so I do worry about the future. Off topic but what makes you say that? Quite to the contrary, I don't think many other Europeans would have put up with Brexit with about half of the people voting against it.
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Post by Playground LEVINE on Mar 31, 2020 10:36:17 GMT
Yeah, we're not rebellious in the sense of going out into the streets and kicking off. That's something I saw time and again in the Czech Republic, for instance. But we hate being told what to do, that's something I've always sensed very strongly here, and a little less so in other countries I've lived in.
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Post by Playground LEVINE on Mar 31, 2020 10:40:17 GMT
(rubbish answer, sorry! I might come back to that later)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 10:44:56 GMT
There's no real way you can know if you have gone over the top with how we have responded to this. But people will try to make make that point. You either trust what science tells you or not. The key thing we'll hopefully learn out of this is I guess is to listen to what experts tell us, respond quickly, make sure you have stockpiles of medical resources, to test as many people as possible and isolate where necessary. Or I guess just to accept deaths.
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Post by tory on Mar 31, 2020 10:50:07 GMT
I got into an argument with a few BCBers on FB. Yomp had posted about seeing some people leaving a pub in his town, which was obviously having a "lock in".
I posited that it was not the right thing to do to report it to the police. From my perspective, was it really worth it? I mean, a few people having a drink, whilst not ideal, is probably just the same as any supermarket being open where social distancing guidelines aren't strictly being observed. I can guarantee that sort of scenario is being replayed across the country in every town.
I was quite shocked by the response by a few of them. All of them piled in with "report it to the police", shedding the soppy lefty image for one of conformist authoritarianism. I think a few don't really realise how things have changed over the last week. Police forces have been receiving calls from people saying 'my neighbour has gone for more than one run today'. For me, it shows that it isn't the Police that turn things into a Police state, it's the people themselves.
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Post by Playground LEVINE on Mar 31, 2020 10:56:09 GMT
Yep. Some people showed their true colours in that thread. Really quite surprising in some cases, the level of anger and desire for 'justice'.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 10:57:54 GMT
Yeah, we're not rebellious in the sense of going out into the streets and kicking off. That's something I saw time and again in the Czech Republic, for instance. But we hate being told what to do, that's something I've always sensed very strongly here, and a little less so in other countries I've lived in.
Yeah, I agree.
The height of the death toll over the next few weeks is going to be very influential in public feeling. People are naturally going to dislike staying in over a long period but the psychological toll of mostly everyone potentially knowing a victim will be huge.
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Post by Playground LEVINE on Mar 31, 2020 11:03:09 GMT
I think some people will be jolted by the news of a major celebrity death. Unfortunately with the way many people are in this country, that is more likely to have an impact than some expert reeling off stats on the news.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 11:11:10 GMT
Yeah, I was talking more about if a lot of people would be personally connected with a victim, in some way. That's what turned a lot of people away from smoking.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 11:12:47 GMT
It's interesting how South Korea responded and flattened that curve. They had such a bad experience with SARS and developed a plan. They have the ability to access credit card and mobile records of people who have the virus. They contact all the people who were at these places at the same time as the infected people, and then test them. It seems pretty invasive to have the ability to access this information. But a strategy that seems to have worked pretty well so far. Probably a simplified explanation of how the system works.
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Post by tory on Mar 31, 2020 11:32:50 GMT
It's the trade of civil liberties for medical safety isnt it.
Plus Asian democracies are generally more aligned with authoritarian impulses than European ones.
But after this, I suspect that we will have more of a stringent attitude to it than before.
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Post by rayge on Mar 31, 2020 11:34:04 GMT
As usual, I seem to be out of step with most everybody else, at least partly because I'm comfortable, well, and the crisis and 'lockdown' hasn't affected me much: for decades, my home and garden, and wandering about taking photos, have been the focus of my life and creativity. Sure, I'm keeping to the 'rules' because I don't want to catch this thing or pass it on, I hand sanitize like anyone who knew me before wouldn't believe, and when I am out I don't touch anything at all I didn't bring out with me without immediately going for the Pur-Ell, but I never did go out in the evenings, dislike crowds, haven't had an overnight house guest in four years or so, and so on. But because I am comfortable, well, and affected less than most, AND I have my particular autotheistic world view, I'm taking a very detached view about the whole thing. I want to see how it all turns out, and I want to be there when it does turn out , but my experience of just about every crisis of whatever nature that's occurred in my lifetime is that you can never really get any sort of handle on it until it's history, and that all the worrying and fretting and exposure to horrors at first, second or media hand ultimately did me no good, possibly some harm, and had no effect at all on outcomes. That's not to say I'm not interested in what people - people I know both in Real Life and Unreal Life, and people I don't know at all – think or predict, not because I want to understand what 'the future' holds but because I'm fascinated by other people, and the insights their prediction gives me into their world views, and mine. I'm sorry that that sounds patronising and/or condescending, because I genuinely don't think I'm better, wiser, more singular, whatever, than anyone else. I'm just aware of my difference.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Mar 31, 2020 11:42:41 GMT
I got into an argument with a few BCBers on FB. Yomp had posted about seeing some people leaving a pub in his town, which was obviously having a "lock in". I posited that it was not the right thing to do to report it to the police. From my perspective, was it really worth it? I mean, a few people having a drink, whilst not ideal, is probably just the same as any supermarket being open where social distancing guidelines aren't strictly being observed. I can guarantee that sort of scenario is being replayed across the country in every town. I was quite shocked by the response by a few of them. All of them piled in with "report it to the police", shedding the soppy lefty image for one of conformist authoritarianism. I think a few don't really realise how things have changed over the last week. Police forces have been receiving calls from people saying 'my neighbour has gone for more than one run today'. For me, it shows that it isn't the Police that turn things into a Police state, it's the people themselves. It's the moral aspect that makes some cocks hard. A chance to lord it over other people. And of course those open to much more state power don't necessarily have the same reaction as others to such measures.
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Post by Cousin Lou on Mar 31, 2020 11:50:57 GMT
It's interesting how South Korea responded and flattened that curve. They had such a bad experience with SARS and developed a plan. They have the ability to access credit card and mobile records of people who have the virus. They contact all the people who were at these places at the same time as the infected people, and then test them. It seems pretty invasive to have the ability to access this information. But a strategy that seems to have worked pretty well so far. Probably a simplified explanation of how the system works. The same system is on the EU agenda too. So far, however, enough countries have opposed the idea.
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Post by Cousin Lou on Mar 31, 2020 11:57:51 GMT
I got into an argument with a few BCBers on FB. Yomp had posted about seeing some people leaving a pub in his town, which was obviously having a "lock in". I posited that it was not the right thing to do to report it to the police. From my perspective, was it really worth it? I mean, a few people having a drink, whilst not ideal, is probably just the same as any supermarket being open where social distancing guidelines aren't strictly being observed. I can guarantee that sort of scenario is being replayed across the country in every town. I was quite shocked by the response by a few of them. All of them piled in with "report it to the police", shedding the soppy lefty image for one of conformist authoritarianism. I think a few don't really realise how things have changed over the last week. Police forces have been receiving calls from people saying 'my neighbour has gone for more than one run today'. For me, it shows that it isn't the Police that turn things into a Police state, it's the people themselves. It would obviously be much better if these people would confront their neighbour directly. But I am affraid we're beyond such simple things, swaths of people have no report with their neighbours anymore. A bit of peer pressure - or good old social control- isn't that bad in these times.
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