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Post by hippopotamus on Feb 17, 2020 12:57:29 GMT
Anyone else seen it?
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Feb 17, 2020 13:06:49 GMT
Yes. Thought it was fabulous. I'll probably go see it again
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Post by hippopotamus on Feb 17, 2020 13:28:50 GMT
I have a lot of mixed feelings about it. I knew nothing about it going in apart from it's winning things at the Oscars. I liked the pace and build up of it. I liked the themes and characters, but it's hard for me to see it as anything but a Korean horror version of The Great Gatsby. Which, I suppose isn't a bad thing, but it's not very Original. It seemed quite simplistic and the Brutal violence I think was pretty unnecessary.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Feb 17, 2020 13:31:25 GMT
the Brutal violence I think was pretty unnecessary. Ah, fuck that.
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Post by hippopotamus on Feb 17, 2020 14:14:09 GMT
the Brutal violence I think was pretty unnecessary. Ah, fuck that. I saw the warning at the beginning of the film, but it really was pretty gratuitous. I am not ashamed to say I had my eyes closed for what seemed like 10 full minutes while my all male group of friends were screaming at short intervals. I don't think I saw a lesser film for not watching it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 14:29:09 GMT
They love a bit of the ultraviolence the Koreans.
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Parasite
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Feb 17, 2020 14:40:11 GMT
Don’t we all?
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Post by hippopotamus on Feb 17, 2020 19:37:20 GMT
Do we all?? I think it can work in some films, but most of the time, I really don't see the point. I guess I see a lot more blood, guts and gore on a regular basis than most people. Maybe some people think they NEED some of that in their lives?
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Feb 17, 2020 19:59:51 GMT
Violence is like nice cinematography. It’s style.
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Post by Sneelock on Feb 18, 2020 0:48:48 GMT
Poor people are fucked. I think it’s a terrific movie.
I’m a pretty squeamish character myself but I think the violence is why the movie was such a strong cup of coffee and why it made so many people sit bolt upright.
I watched “parasite” and “joker” with my Mother in law. She pretty much loathed them both & the violence was the key reason. I didn’t try to change her mind - she knows what she likes. She joined a discussion a couple days later. She didn’t see the “class problem” that I think many take from the movie. I think her problem in a nutshell was that a character she liked did something she could not forgive.
I thought “marriage story” could have done without a major character dropping to their knees & bawling. It’s fun to say so but it got plenty of love from people who didn’t seem to mind.
This is the nuts and bolts of storytelling. I’ll bet if me or hippopotamus told a story to address “the class problem” that it would be a horse of an entirely different color.
Look at Aesop’s Fables. How many animals die or starve or suffer just to make Aesop’s point? Well, none. I hope none, anyway.
Not only do I think “parasite” is a good movie I think it might have hit a nerve. I’m not saying it’s “Flashdance” or anything just that it’s the sort of movie that gets people talking about important things. I think there is always room for another one of those.
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Post by hippopotamus on Feb 18, 2020 13:45:06 GMT
Poor people are fucked. I think it’s a terrific movie. I’m a pretty squeamish character myself but I think the violence is why the movie was such a strong cup of coffee and why it made so many people sit bolt upright. I watched “parasite” and “joker” with my Mother in law. She pretty much loathed them both & the violence was the key reason. I didn’t try to change her mind - she knows what she likes. She joined a discussion a couple days later. She didn’t see the “class problem” that I think many take from the movie. I think her problem in a nutshell was that a character she liked did something she could not forgive. I thought “marriage story” could have done without a major character dropping to their knees & bawling. It’s fun to say so but it got plenty of love from people who didn’t seem to mind. This is the nuts and bolts of storytelling. I’ll bet if me or hippopotamus told a story to address “the class problem” that it would be a horse of an entirely different color. Look at Aesop’s Fables. How many animals die or starve or suffer just to make Aesop’s point? Well, none. I hope none, anyway. Not only do I think “parasite” is a good movie I think it might have hit a nerve. I’m not saying it’s “Flashdance” or anything just that it’s the sort of movie that gets people talking about important things. I think there is always room for another one of those. Alright, Space dog. I've been ruminating on Violence as a style. I'm not SURE I buy it... but then somehow when you say that you need a JOLT. I could possibly concede that if you can use something unignorable to make people pay attention. And like I say... I did like the pace of it. I like how it lulled and then WHAMMO! ... I'm still not sure you NEED it to be like that. Or that you need QUITE so much of it. I don't think I'd liken myself to your mother in law... in many ways, but ALSO because it's not that I object to any violence ever. I just don't get GRATUITOUS, because-we-CAN violence. I am not sure how you can watch the film without seeing the "class problem". It's pretty much the entire film from beginning to end. I have been THINKING a lot about the film, which means there's something to think about. The title in particular is interesting. I think it's hard to completely villainise anyone. Although, I am also having trouble thinking who is the character that your mother in law would LIKE. Would this be the film you'd make about "The class problem"? I have no idea what film I would make about "the class problem". But to me it's not WHOLLY original... like I said, it's Great Gatsby, but it's also Les Regles du Jeu. Each of which were able to say the same thing without beating us and each other over the head.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Feb 18, 2020 16:54:22 GMT
Think of something like Kill Bill or the hammer scene in Old Boy. Violence can be beautiful and balletic and it can be humorous or horrifying (or combos). You do see this in south Korean cinema (Old Boy, Lady Vengeance trilogy, I saw The devil) and I like that because it feels like it's part of their cinematic lexicon. The eruption of violence in Parasite seemed necessary to me because it cut through all the social niceties, class tension and faux empathy that has happened before in a really visceral way. So much of life is surface but underneath it all can be all kinds of frustrated emotions, impulses and desires that only very occasionally erupt in the real world when the opportunity presents itself. Violence is one of those and class enmity is an interesting thing because I have and still do feel it to a degree so I could relate to it. I also believe that in the right/wrong situation most of us are capable of violence and, whisper it, might actually sorta enjoy it, or at least lose ourselves in it to a surprising degree to the point where we recognise that we are not always in control of ourselves....there is some heavy, primal shit going on. To me it almost played out like a fantasy even though it is real in the movie. It felt like it had to happen. Who is the parasite? The working class family? The bourgeoisie? The system itself? John - it's not "brutal" violence btw. Not by my standards anyway
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Post by Sneelock on Feb 18, 2020 17:11:24 GMT
Alright, hippopotamus...
I know what you mean. I have a friend who despises “Straw Dogs”. He says the reason he despises “Straw Dogs” is “the Virgin Spring” which he feels addresses the same issues in a more humane way. I would never say that “Straw Dogs” is the better film. Indeed, I have all sorts of problems with it. I think, despite these problems, that it is a powerful & singular film.
I found the violence towards the end of “parasite” shocking and surprising. I’m not sure that I agree that it was gratuitous but then, I just admitted to liking “Straw Dogs”
We all get to decide what art we hang on our walls. I don’t hang Francis Bacon on my walls but I look at them in galleries. “Parasite” struck me as a very profound and well crafted movie but I doubt I’ll be watching it like “ the big Lebowski” or something even though I think it’s a more powerful film.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Feb 18, 2020 17:17:31 GMT
Think of something like Kill Bill or the hammer scene in Old Boy. Violence can be beautiful and balletic and it can be humorous or horrifying (or combos). You do see this in south Korean cinema (Old Boy, Lady Vengeance trilogy, I saw The devil) and I like that because it feels like it's part of their cinematic lexicon. The eruption of violence in Parasite seemed necessary to me because it cut through all the social niceties, class tension and faux empathy that has happened before in a really visceral way. So much of life is surface but underneath it all can be all kinds of frustrated emotions, impulses and desires that only very occasionally erupt in the real world when the opportunity presents itself. Violence is one of those and class enmity is an interesting thing because I have and still do feel it to a degree so I could relate to it. I also believe that in the right/wrong situation most of us are capable of violence and, whisper it, might actually sorta enjoy it, or at least lose ourselves in it to a surprising degree to the point where we recognise that we are not always in control of ourselves....there is some heavy, primal shit going on. To me it almost played out like a fantasy even though it is real in the movie. It felt like it had to happen. Who is the parasite? The working class family? The bourgeoisie? The system itself? John - it's not "brutal" violence btw. Not by my standards anyway Of course not! You like shouting 'cunt' at strangers and seeing people's brains come leaking out of their temples! Honestly - I don't mind a bit of violence but I can't be dealing with the on-screen detailed and graphic portayal of a slow and agonizing death. Or a fast, gruesome death, for that matter. It's something that's increasingly a feature of modern filmmaking (although still thankfully not THAT common) and I'm not really sure what people get out of it. It's fucked up. You can justify its existence and some of what you say might be right, but to me this kind of thing is a bit like Robert Crumb's pictures of naked women. Kind of obsessive, a little disturbing, possibly entertaining - but in the end, something I don't really want as part of my life. Not at my age, anyway.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Feb 18, 2020 17:19:22 GMT
A bit like lurking on BCB?
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