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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 12:23:03 GMT
I would have found a way to cram These Days in somewhere if it had been a longer list That would have been the sound of the third album I think. |
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Post by DarknessFish on Apr 24, 2020 12:56:40 GMT
I would have found a way to cram These Days in somewhere if it had been a longer list That would have been the sound of the third album I think. That's probably my least favourite JD track, so the lack of a third album might not be a bad thing. If I could've included something else from left-field, it would've been Ice Age, something that shows how they could properly rock out (dude). |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 13:00:21 GMT
That would have been the sound of the third album I think. That's probably my least favourite JD track, so the lack of a third album might not be a bad thing. Really? I love that bubbling synth on it. I don't know if I have a least favourite, probably The Eternal which is too dreary for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 13:18:43 GMT
That would have been the sound of the third album I think. That's probably my least favourite JD track, so the lack of a third album might not be a bad thing. If I could've included something else from left-field, it would've been Ice Age, something that shows how they could properly rock out (dude).
I'd take The Kill for an early rock out track, or the RCA version of Walked In Line.
My least favourites are probably one of Only Mistake and Sound of Music, which I get mixed up between.
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Post by loveless on Apr 24, 2020 13:50:31 GMT
As I recall it, the RCA demo surfaced (for ME, at any rate) on a really nice sounding bootleg LP called Warsaw when I was 20, and I played it to death - far more than I'd played the two proper albums, certainly far more than I played Still or Substance. I reckon it got a "proper" release 4 or 5 years down the line.
I don't know what it was about the character of those tracks, but there was something gloriously "scrappy", "simple", "primitive", and "direct" (the quotes indicate a fear of being overly reductive) about the songs and the sound of early Joy Division. The slashing guitar chords, the bass and vocal operating in non-nonsense parallel/tandem. It was my food for a fair bit (this was the era of the Roses, etc.- whom I also liked, but not quite as feverishly), these songs like "Leaders of Men", "Walked in Line", "Ice Age", "Failures", "Warsaw", "Novelty". I'll say there was an abundant energy there that one doesn't automatically think of when thinking of JD. It was (looking back) absolutely my version of "post-punk garage", and I definitely borrowed plenty from it in real time (slashing guitar chords stubbornly staking out blocky motifs over spastic rhythm sections). I'm playing all of this stuff on YouTube right now for the first time in...nearly 30 years, perhaps, and it's an absolute treat.
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Post by oh oooh on Apr 24, 2020 14:07:14 GMT
Yeah, I love all that stuff too.
The romance of Manchester in the eighties! I used to dream of moving there, I honestly thought there was something in the water, something strong in the character of the people.
Early Smiths, early Fall, early JD have a similar energy that's hard to define. ACR too. There's a rawness and a brutality but they're not exactly revelling in it. They almost seem to want to escape it.
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Post by DarknessFish on Apr 24, 2020 14:23:00 GMT
I'd take The Kill for an early rock out track, or the RCA version of Walked In Line. My least favourites are probably one of Only Mistake and Sound of Music, which I get mixed up between.
Sound of Music is a good shout, I genuinely can't remember what that sounds like (I have no youtube access at the mo). Just googled the lyrics, and it doesn't ring a bell. Walked in Line is probably on a par with Ice Age, I just think of Ice Age as being more singalong in a Misfits way with all it's Woaa-oooh bits. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 15:03:59 GMT
As with Walked in Line, I prefer the RCA version of Ice Age as well
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 16:56:26 GMT
I always finding it weird listening to them as a punk band. It just feels wrong.
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Post by rayge on Apr 24, 2020 18:33:32 GMT
I always finding it weird listening to them as a punk band. It just feels wrong. Agree with you there, although 'wrong' is n't perhaps the right word (sorry). Hannett's productions were a huge part of the appeal for me when I first got into the band. |
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Post by oh oooh on Apr 24, 2020 18:39:08 GMT
Didn't they hate what Hannett did to their sound, at least initially?
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Post by rayge on Apr 24, 2020 18:50:17 GMT
Didn't they hate what Hannett did to their sound, at least initially? I believe some of them did, at least, but I didn't  . It was Hannett that turned me inbto a fan and collector of Factory. As far as I was concerned he was a star. Other opinions were, and indeed are, available. Ranks alongside Joe Meek as the UK's greatest auteur producers.
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Post by oh oooh on Apr 24, 2020 18:58:42 GMT
I wouldn't disagree. I love what he did to Magazine too. And Bummed, of course.
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Post by DarknessFish on Apr 24, 2020 19:58:32 GMT
Didn't they hate what Hannett did to their sound, at least initially? Yeah, Peter Hook and Barney certainly didn't like it, they pretty much thought they were straight ahead punks making a bit of an energetic racket. I'd be surprised if Ste Morris didn't like it, because he sounds incredible on that album, I don't think as much effort as ever gone into capturing a particular drum sound: " he reportedly insisted that Morris record some tracks playing only one drum at a time, in some absurdly obsessive scheme to eliminate all possible bleeding" "One example recalls captured drum sounds being sent to an Auratone speaker perched on a toilet in the building’s basement bathroom, only to be re-recorded again through a single microphone" happymag.tv/engineering-the-sound-joy-divisions-unknown-pleasures/ |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 20:41:33 GMT
Hannett said they were the perfect band for him to work with as they didn't know what they were doing and they'd be pliable to do whatever he wanted. Hook and Sumner disliked Unknown Pleasures on first hearing but they appreciate it now.
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