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Post by Sneelock on May 27, 2020 15:22:23 GMT
I heard "Too Much Blood" by the Stones last night on the drive home. it sounded so good that I listened to it again when I got home. I love that track.
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Post by ~ / % ? * on May 27, 2020 17:29:12 GMT
Wow, the video is embarrassing, but I guess there is something of a tune there. Those first four 80s Stones' albums are doing their vinyl run lately in the used bins as the 70s albums thin out. Is this something you heard late night driving home on the radio recently? Things can kinda hit you then, I've found, reconsider stuff, you may not have considered.
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Post by toomanyhatz on May 27, 2020 17:41:45 GMT
Trying to find one I haven't said a billion times between here and that other place...
How about...
As much as we make fun of the "Rick Rubin Rehipification," the Johnny Cash one is still, to my ears, an unqualified (or only slightly qualified) success. No screaming electric guitars, no uncomfortable/unnecessary duets, just Johnny restored to his comfort level of simple arrangements with good songs. Yeah, the song selection may be overly geared to prevailing trends, but at least he generally picks good ones, and finds the heart of the song for him in just about every case. People talk about "Hurt," but the one he really claims for himself is "Personal Jesus." By taking it seriously and pulling all irony from it, he turns a very unlikely choice into a Johnny Cash song.
I'll even take it a step farther and say that, although I pretty much love his entire career (give or take some 70s and 80s albums), my favorite periods are the beginning and the end. And I think they have some similarities.
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Post by Sneelock on May 27, 2020 17:46:09 GMT
I think maybe JC went to RR's well once or twice too often. otherwise I pretty much agree. IMO JC did some shitty stuff on mercury but when he died my local stations played good Johnny Cash songs for DAYS.
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truth is that I'm a recovering Stones-a-holic. (Hi Sneelock!) you know, I think "Undercover" was probably the last Stones album that I really enjoyed playing. I mean, I am a stones-a-holic so there are usually tracks I like but I don't think the albums work as even decent Stones albums and, for me, Undercover always did. I think part of it is that they sort of let the producer do his stuff. soon "the glimmer twins" would be bringing in the Hot Producer D'Jour just to stand on their necks. I just love the horns and the whole "dance" vibe of "too much blood". yeah, I didn't post that vid for the very reason you mention. I thought it was fair that critics said they were trying too hard but the fact of the matter is that the tunes still sound really good to me. I find the "dated" aspects of the production actually give the material a kick in the pants. I'm grateful that somebody realized maybe the material needed a little kick in the pants. |
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Post by ~ / % ? * on May 27, 2020 18:01:09 GMT
Regarding Rick Rubin I was reminded that concurrent with the Cash sessions he was instrumental in encouraging the original Foghat to make peace amongst themselves and reunite (for two albums) and secured their deal with Atlantic but could not produce the albums.
“He’s extremely open-minded in his tastes,” (Tom) Petty says of Rubin. “It’s almost unbelievable he could dig Slayer so much and also be into the Mamas and the Papas. I never realized the 70s had any music until I started hanging out with Rick. I’d written this song ‘Whatever Happened to Lonesome Dave,’ about the guy from Foghat, and Rick got all excited. He said, ‘Wow, I love Foghat.’ And I had to tell him I’d never : listened to Foghat. So, of course, the next day he came over with a whole video of Foghat, and there I was watching an entire Foghat concert. The funny thing is, I came out with a slight appreciation for Foghat.”
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Post by Sneelock on May 27, 2020 18:17:42 GMT
my unpopular opinion about Rick Rubin is that he needed a shave.
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Post by ~ / % ? * on May 27, 2020 18:33:28 GMT
Rick is definitely a Zelig like figure in music wittingly and unwittingly, Re: the crazy story about the fire at his (Rick Rubin's studio/house)that Psychic Tv's P.-Orridge and partner suffered injuries in '95 and were awarded $1.5 million U$.
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Post by Sneelock on May 27, 2020 19:08:55 GMT
sex change money?
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Post by sloopjohnc on May 27, 2020 19:15:59 GMT
Trying to find one I haven't said a billion times between here and that other place... How about... As much as we make fun of the "Rick Rubin Rehipification," the Johnny Cash one is still, to my ears, an unqualified (or only slightly qualified) success. No screaming electric guitars, no uncomfortable/unnecessary duets, just Johnny restored to his comfort level of simple arrangements with good songs. Yeah, the song selection may be overly geared to prevailing trends, but at least he generally picks good ones, and finds the heart of the song for him in just about every case. People talk about "Hurt," but the one he really claims for himself is "Personal Jesus." By taking it seriously and pulling all irony from it, he turns a very unlikely choice into a Johnny Cash song. I'll even take it a step farther and say that, although I pretty much love his entire career (give or take some 70s and 80s albums), my favorite periods are the beginning and the end. And I think they have some similarities. Mostly true. I cannot stand his version of Rusty Cage. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 19:38:08 GMT
David Crosby was the most talented Byrd.
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Post by ~ / % ? * on May 27, 2020 19:51:39 GMT
Award payment came in '98; the gender surgery for both began in '95. I do remember reading about how the money did pay some debt, but was mostly squandered/enabled artistic endeavors. |
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Post by Sneelock on May 27, 2020 19:55:30 GMT
Good!
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Post by Charlie O. on May 27, 2020 20:33:53 GMT
Trying to find one I haven't said a billion times between here and that other place... How about... As much as we make fun of the "Rick Rubin Rehipification," the Johnny Cash one is still, to my ears, an unqualified (or only slightly qualified) success. No screaming electric guitars, no uncomfortable/unnecessary duets, just Johnny restored to his comfort level of simple arrangements with good songs. Yeah, the song selection may be overly geared to prevailing trends, but at least he generally picks good ones, and finds the heart of the song for him in just about every case. People talk about "Hurt," but the one he really claims for himself is "Personal Jesus." By taking it seriously and pulling all irony from it, he turns a very unlikely choice into a Johnny Cash song. I'll even take it a step farther and say that, although I pretty much love his entire career (give or take some 70s and 80s albums), my favorite periods are the beginning and the end. And I think they have some similarities. Yeah, I don't know as that's a real unpopular opinion!  I broadly agree with you, though I also agree with Snee that they maybe overdid it a bit. This might be an unpopular opinion: my favorite of those albums was the second one - the one with "Rusty Cage" (which I like very much). |
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Post by Sneelock on May 27, 2020 21:13:07 GMT
David Crosby was the most talented Byrd. the horse was no slouch either. |
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Post by toomanyhatz on May 27, 2020 22:03:26 GMT
Here's my Byrds-related unpopular opinion - Gram Parsons' 'greatness' owes a lot to the support of Chris Hillman. His best songs are the Hillman co-writes. He is the "secret weapon" in both the Byrds and the Burritos.
In fact I'm not sure I'm convinced that he wasn't the most talented Byrd.
And I hate saying both these things, because he's apparently a bit of a right wing nutjob these days (as is Richie Furay), but that doesn't make 'em any less true.
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I broadly agree with you, though I also agree with Snee that they maybe overdid it a bit.