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Post by Sneelock on Jun 22, 2020 15:55:00 GMT
lots of people had stills of DeNiro from "This Boy's Life" up for Fathers Day. it's a pretty sick joke but it reminded me of how excellent I thought DeNiro was in that. He plays a straight up scumbag that's got no business being a Father. this reminds me of other of his roles - ones I like and ones I don't. it seems to me that DeNiro is more likely than Pacino to play someone who is just plain not very likable. I think this might be a factor in why people like Pacino more.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 16:36:04 GMT
I prefer DeNiros films but i might edge Pacino in terms of acting. DeNiro can't do comedy or play an ordinary every day guy. There has to be something to the character that makes the character stand out. Pacino can play the everyday day and do comedy. He also has a good balance between pulling back and going full....well, pacino.....Whoa aaaaah.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 20:03:27 GMT
You can be very touchy if you think one of your favourites is being attacked. I thought it was quite an interesting perspective on why their filmographies have declined, but it seems in this thread you just want people to say " they're REALLY GREAT"
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jun 22, 2020 20:08:39 GMT
Well, they are! You tend to be contrary, like half the board (myself included) so when someone starts a thread on something or somebody that's universally acclaimed, you'll chime in and say 'hang on! they're not all that'. Fair enough, I suppose. But Tommy Lee Jones?!? I haven't been anywhere near as convinced or as entertained or as amused or as thrilled by him as I have by De Niro or Pacino - and there's a reason for that Now if you'd mentioned Gene Hackman...
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jun 22, 2020 20:12:31 GMT
And I do get a little bored on how the old lines about Pacino are trotted out time and time and time again. You might say 'well that's because they're true!' - but every time a thread is started on him, there tends to be quite a bit of focus on how he chews the scenery in all his later films. OK - there might be a tendency to do that sometimes - I've certainly seen it in Heat and The Devil's Advocate but there are many really great performances in the 80s and 90s - Sea Of Love, Donnie Brasco, The Insider, Glengarry Glen Ross - several more - without really a whole lot of hoo-ing and hah-ing. He's still very capable of subtlety.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 20:25:59 GMT
Well, they are! You tend to be contrary, like half the board (myself included) so when someone starts a thread on something or somebody that's universally acclaimed, you'll chime in and say 'hang on! they're not all that'. Fair enough, I suppose. But Tommy Lee Jones?!? I haven't been anywhere near as convinced or as entertained or as amused or as thrilled by him as I have by De Niro or Pacino - and there's a reason for that Now if you'd mentioned Gene Hackman... I think you'll find he's been retired for about 15 years so he'd be a very strange example to use. And you wildly underrate Jones, his performance in No Country for Old Men alone is far richer and powerful than anything De Niro or Pacino have put their name to for about 30 years. And if you take your fan boy specs off for a moment you'll see that most film fans think Pacino and Di Niro have made more bad films than good in the last twenty years or so and that their latter career has been a footnote to their achievements as young actors. It's hardly a controversial opinion.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jun 22, 2020 20:29:13 GMT
Alright G.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 20:53:50 GMT
De Niro's lethargic, comatose performance in The Irishman was genuinely sad to behold. Carry a film? He looked like he'd struggle to carry a bag of potatoes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 21:06:47 GMT
Why potatoes? So racist.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 21:12:04 GMT
I genuinely think one of the issues for them is editing is quicker these days. Most directors don't sit on a shot for long. I think the boy's acting needs or demands that the camera stays on them while they work, not 32 cuts in 5 minutes. Same goes for the handheld directors who seem to be on the rise.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 21:46:15 GMT
I genuinely think one of the issues for them is editing is quicker these days. Most directors don't sit on a shot for long. I think the boy's acting needs or demands that the camera stays on them while they work, not 32 cuts in 5 minutes. Same goes for the handheld directors who seem to be on the rise. Most directors are more than happy to indulge them
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 21:57:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 21:57:43 GMT
I genuinely think one of the issues for them is editing is quicker these days. Most directors don't sit on a shot for long. I think the boy's acting needs or demands that the camera stays on them while they work, not 32 cuts in 5 minutes. Same goes for the handheld directors who seem to be on the rise. Most directors are more than happy to indulge them Not many
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Post by Sneelock on Jun 22, 2020 22:22:47 GMT
I thought DeNiro was uniformly excellent in "Irishman" Pacino too & I'm one of those guys who enjoys making with the "wallpaper chewing" cracks.
I remember when I saw Fred Astaire in a vacuum cleaner commercial on TV. why the fuck was Fred Astaire in a vacuum cleaner commercial? I have no idea. Do I think it cheapens what Fred Astaire did back when he did it? Not really. on some level I suspect that if Fred were still kicking and his agent told him he had a vacuum cleaner commercial - you never know. maybe he would have taken it. So long as somebody got paid, I don't suppose I really have a problem with it.
that's sort of how I feel about the aging process in "the Irishman" why do it? because they can? is that reason enough? well, to G. obviously NO but to me, yes. I don't think either of them embarrassed themselves and I for one believe DeNiro could have easily lifted a bag of potatoes. such is the power of movies.
I was just talking to my kid about this yesterday. I like to use "Alphaville". in the first few minutes of Alphville we see an ugly old guy on the freeway in a beat up car. the narrator tells us he's a legendary hero and that he's going from one galaxy to another. well, you either say "bullshit" and leave or you hang with it and see where it goes.
some people do both. they can "leave" but hang in there just to get the movie under their belt. I know I do sometimes. I think both those guys still have the goods. Pacino in "angels in america" he is Roy Cohn, as terrible a man who ever lived. he dies and we feel something. DeNiro in "Silver Linings Playbook" pauses when his son's girlfriend contradicts him. he pauses becuase he realizes something - she's right. you can see the little light bulb go off in his head.
they are older they are often easy to make fun of but that's the great thing about actors - we can say if we think they're bums. they are well payed and much loved. not everybody needs to like them. you see a beat up car or you try to be convinced it's a spaceship. I love that both those guys still do work I like and don't like. I don't know how much they've got left and I fully expect to change my tune on some of these over time.
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