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Post by tory on Sept 8, 2020 17:32:31 GMT
I wouldn't take the womxn thing too seriously. Toby trawls twitter looking for this stuff, it's a kind of hobby for him. Take it seriously if it ever becomes a widespread thing...which I strongly suspect it won't. Of course what happens in America is often very influential on other countries, I'm not challenging that at all. It was more the idea of other countries deliberately using the US as a sort of research laboratory that was, and still is, rather unclear to me. I think you'd be surprised at how popular it will become. It is a high-status thing - Critical Race theory and Intersectionality have emerged from American Academia and we live in an age where ideas and technical innovation flow out of California at an unprecedented rate, sped up somewhat by social media and the communication revolution we live in. If you then factor in Hollywood, and how those theories are gobbled up by people who work within it, you'll see how all three of those nodes - academia, FAMA (Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft) and Hollywood are all hugely high status. If those people project those opinions, then people will follow it because people, in general, aspire to high status lifestyles.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Sept 8, 2020 17:39:31 GMT
I think you may be overestimating those platforms. They are all techno circle jerks in one way or the other. I think lots of folks would push back before this term ever got mainstream. But then as I mentioned, LatinX is fairly mainstream.
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Post by tory on Sept 8, 2020 17:48:00 GMT
If you look at the conversation concerning this stuff in, say, 2015 and now, the speed at which it is being transmitted is frighteningly quick.
There will be push back, but I reckon it'll be mainstream before you know it.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Sept 8, 2020 17:52:05 GMT
If you look at the conversation concerning this stuff in, say, 2015 and now, the speed at which it is being transmitted is frighteningly quick. That I will give you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 18:48:22 GMT
But I'd argue academia has always harboured some kooky ideas. The only difference now is, as you say, these ideas can be transmitted quickly and widely. However that doesn't mean they'll take root in any meaningful way.
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Post by tory on Sept 8, 2020 18:54:49 GMT
The ideas are fashionable amongst young people. If they're fashionable, and they are also reinforced by celebrities and tech, then they'll take off, pure and simple.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 19:02:24 GMT
The ideas are fashionable amongst young people. If they're fashionable, and they are also reinforced by celebrities and tech, then they'll take off, pure and simple. Before going out of fashion again. And what celebrities have been saying 'womxn' anyway?
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Sept 8, 2020 19:10:14 GMT
Take no notice of him. It's absolute nonsense.
We've had this before with 'herstory' and all the rest. There has to be some element of sense for these things to take off. This one does not have it.
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Post by tory on Sept 8, 2020 19:13:13 GMT
If enough people do it and have it reinforced to them on a daily basis, then it will take off.
I'm not referring to "womxn" specifically, more the general garbage of critical race theory/intersectionality and the philosophy behind it. I think you underestimate just how many young people are gripped by it.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Sept 8, 2020 19:15:34 GMT
I'm not referring to "womxn" specifically Ok. I was.
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Post by Charlie O. on Sept 8, 2020 19:16:49 GMT
But like G said, what comes into fashion quickly tends to go out of fashion quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 19:21:31 GMT
If enough people do it and have it reinforced to them on a daily basis, then it will take off. But enough people won't do it. That's what we're saying. You have a vested interest in seeing all this as some sinister threat to civilisation.
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Post by tory on Sept 8, 2020 19:28:02 GMT
I don't think you can say that with any sense of certainty.
Liberal ideas of the Sixties such as vegetarianism, homosexuality and environmental concerns were dismissed by the "Establishment" as fashionable ideas that might be wont to disappear, but they are all now fully established as part of the marketplace of ideas. What is to say that these won't be?
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Post by Sneelock on Sept 8, 2020 19:29:24 GMT
IMO the really silly ones are meant to be conflated with the less silly ones so that it's all just one big silly mess instead of policies and positions enacted through reasoning.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Sept 8, 2020 19:36:22 GMT
I don't think you can say that with any sense of certainty. Liberal ideas of the Sixties such as vegetarianism, homosexuality and environmental concerns were dismissed by the "Establishment" as fashionable ideas that might be wont to disappear, but they are all now fully established as part of the marketplace of ideas. What is to say that these won't be? What are you saying tho'? Can we go back to that? What is the idea behind this 'womxn' thing?
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