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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Dec 4, 2020 17:31:22 GMT
Your feelings about what, for example? Can you remember a specific case? Like I said, I don't think they're commonly used to describe people so much in 2020. There's a difference between these two words and 'fat', because the latter is measurable, more 'objective' (in quotes before you start with your Doc Semantics/Pedantics business )
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2020 17:37:59 GMT
This is a great question. Such a great question that nobody can answer it! Well ,true . I still think it's a great question. Not up there with your Ant v Bee of course. What about the 'n' word. A nasty horrible derogatory term that deserves to die now reclaimed?
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Post by daveythefatboy on Dec 4, 2020 17:49:45 GMT
The usual tactic of conservative think pieces: Overthink a basic value such as kindness in order to make it seem complicated and impossible. Justifying bad behavior requires that we believe the moral landscape too fraught with peril to even consider any challenge to the existing norms. Thousands of dry, arid words meant to leave the reader impotent and believing that ‘this is the best we can do ‘.
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Post by daveythefatboy on Dec 4, 2020 17:54:48 GMT
Beauty/ugly surely is in the eye of the beholder, but "stupid"? Depends. It can be used recklessly, for sure. But if there's one thing the last five years have really brought home for me, it's that there's some serious Critical Thinking deficiency out there. I never thought of myself as being especially good at critical thinking, but my god - there are vast quantities of hardcore, deeply committed STUPID out there. I think we need to distinguish between: Not possessing brain power (as opposed to) willfully ignorant. A person with a low IQ doesn’t have a lot of power over their situation. They shouldn’t be ostracized for the deficit. But the thing that’s pissing you off is really chosen ignorance and/or intransigence. That’s not actually stupidity. It is motivated reasoning.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Dec 4, 2020 18:10:11 GMT
Beauty/ugly surely is in the eye of the beholder, but "stupid"? Depends. It can be used recklessly, for sure. But if there's one thing the last five years have really brought home for me, it's that there's some serious Critical Thinking deficiency out there. I never thought of myself as being especially good at critical thinking, but my god - there are vast quantities of hardcore, deeply committed STUPID out there. I think we need to distinguish between: Not possessing brain power (as opposed to) willfully ignorant. A person with a low IQ doesn’t have a lot of power over their situation. They shouldn’t be ostracized for the deficit. But the thing that’s pissing you off is really chosen ignorance and/or intransigence. That’s not actually stupidity. It is motivated reasoning. This whole going maskless thing lately has also produced a degree of hubris that would almost be comical if not so tragic. Lately, I've been seeing interviews with ER nurses in the plain states and midwest where hospitalized people with severe COVID are incredulous with the diagnosis because they were so willfully ignorant as you write.
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Post by tory on Dec 4, 2020 18:37:10 GMT
I was at the swimming pool earlier and saw this morbidly obese guy. I'll be brutally honest by saying that my initial, at first sight, thought was "you fat bastard" because well, he was fucking fat and I was mildly repulsed by him. He was a weeble with two little legs that appeared underneath him - his swimming shorts were virtually invisible.
But then I felt pity because he knew every moment of his life that he was fat and that he's probably going to die early. The fact that he managed to get to a swimming pool and show everyone his naked form takes an enormous level of guts (sic). We've all got various levels of body shame but this guy's must be in the stratosphere, so I respected him for that alone.
I would never say anything to someone about their physical form, unless of course, they were a friend and I felt that there was something meaningful that might help - i.e that losing weight was beneficial to one's health, or say, trying to give up booze etc. To tell a total stranger to lose some weight or that they are fat just seems like a pointless and heartlessly cruel thing to do. People who just abuse strangers are, to me, on another level of cruelty.
However, my initial reaction was telling - I was initially repulsed by him. Morbid obesity is sort of grotesque in some ways - especially when you hear of people being lifted out of a house by a crane because they've become so fat that they can't even move for example. There is something shocking about that to the sensibilities in some respects. Whilst you can have empathy for their plight, at the same time for me the complete lack of control over their weight and inability to do anything about it then impacts other people around them, so there's a sort of moral sentiment about it.
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Post by Charlie O. on Dec 4, 2020 19:26:03 GMT
Beauty/ugly surely is in the eye of the beholder, but "stupid"? Depends. It can be used recklessly, for sure. But if there's one thing the last five years have really brought home for me, it's that there's some serious Critical Thinking deficiency out there. I never thought of myself as being especially good at critical thinking, but my god - there are vast quantities of hardcore, deeply committed STUPID out there. I think we need to distinguish between: Not possessing brain power (as opposed to) willfully ignorant. A person with a low IQ doesn’t have a lot of power over their situation. They shouldn’t be ostracized for the deficit. But the thing that’s pissing you off is really chosen ignorance and/or intransigence. That’s not actually stupidity. It is motivated reasoning. I take your main point, and it's a good one. My only counter to it is that "stupid" isn't a technical term - and I would therefore maintain that it is perfectly reasonable, in many cases at least, to call chosen ignorance and/or intransigence "stupidity".
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Post by DarknessFish on Dec 4, 2020 20:20:43 GMT
The usual tactic of conservative think pieces: Overthink a basic value such as kindness in order to make it seem complicated and impossible. Justifying bad behavior requires that we believe the moral landscape too fraught with peril to even consider any challenge to the existing norms. Thousands of dry, arid words meant to leave the reader impotent and believing that ‘this is the best we can do ‘. I'd say that's a very kind reading of the article. It's better summed up as: 1. Grrr! Corbyn!!!! 2. Err, lets strangely change to attacking on pity, and hope no-one notices 3. French Revolution, for no good reason whatsoever 4. Grrr! Corbyn!!!! 5. Waffle, lets attack pity again, because that's where the right feels better.
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Post by rayge on Dec 4, 2020 21:44:32 GMT
Your feelings about what, for example? Can you remember a specific case? Like I said, I don't think they're commonly used to describe people so much in 2020. As a rule, I don't use either about people, sometimes things they do or say, or notions.
And on the odd occasions where I'm talking about (not to) someone I find unpleasing to look at or apparently not very bright, I hope I would come up with a more creative, colourful or amusing way of saying it than 's/he's ugly and/or stupid'.
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Dec 4, 2020 22:46:25 GMT
I was at the swimming pool earlier and saw this morbidly obese guy. I'll be brutally honest by saying that my initial, at first sight, thought was "you fat bastard" because well, he was fucking fat and I was mildly repulsed by him. He was a weeble with two little legs that appeared underneath him - his swimming shorts were virtually invisible. But then I felt pity because he knew every moment of his life that he was fat and that he's probably going to die early. The fact that he managed to get to a swimming pool and show everyone his naked form takes an enormous level of guts (sic). We've all got various levels of body shame but this guy's must be in the stratosphere, so I respected him for that alone. I would never say anything to someone about their physical form, unless of course, they were a friend and I felt that there was something meaningful that might help - i.e that losing weight was beneficial to one's health, or say, trying to give up booze etc. To tell a total stranger to lose some weight or that they are fat just seems like a pointless and heartlessly cruel thing to do. People who just abuse strangers are, to me, on another level of cruelty. However, my initial reaction was telling - I was initially repulsed by him. Morbid obesity is sort of grotesque in some ways - especially when you hear of people being lifted out of a house by a crane because they've become so fat that they can't even move for example. There is something shocking about that to the sensibilities in some respects. Whilst you can have empathy for their plight, at the same time for me the complete lack of control over their weight and inability to do anything about it then impacts other people around them, so there's a sort of moral sentiment about it. In this episode, through mutual misunderstanding and misinformation two enemies (Adam and Toby) become admirers and hilarity ensues whilst sharing Hitler ice cream. The 'force of will' in the ice cream ensures they never over eat, not like those ugly fatsos they loath and pity. Leni Riefenstahl documents the meeting of these two iron will superheroes. "No compassion, when there could be smashing" the new bros chant.
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Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on Dec 10, 2020 15:54:15 GMT
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 10, 2020 15:57:08 GMT
G would look great with a pair of those on!
(Some trainers are really ugly these days. What the hell happened to Nike?)
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Dec 10, 2020 15:57:32 GMT
I am hoping the rest of the outfit is pantaloon-ish and matches.
(You probably can't walk on ice, but you may be able to walk on water.)
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Post by Charlie O. on Dec 10, 2020 17:09:53 GMT
Is that the new Gene Simmons line?
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Post by sloopjohnc on Dec 10, 2020 17:35:37 GMT
As a sneaker head, I check out some athletic shoe websites. Half of the sneakers aren't even for sports anymore. Half of them are listed as casual or post-game. There are some dumb ones out there.
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