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Post by oh oooh on Dec 10, 2020 17:38:27 GMT
Milk and Honey vs. Street Hassle The title track alone beats anything on Milk and Honey. It does, but the rest of the album is a real drag.
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Post by oh oooh on Dec 10, 2020 17:39:10 GMT
One revelatory album and several good but flawed ones (and a couple of bold experiments that fall flat but at least are bold) and, when looked at seriously, one of the best singles runs of the 70s (easily better than any other ex-Beatle - yes, I said it) vs. A mish-mosh of everything from inspired but flawed to "what the hell was he thinking?" with a grand total of one big hit (great in its own way but mostly in a "I can't believe they played that on the radio" way. Yeah, it's Lennon, pretty easily. Reed has no answer for POB. Even his best work is, at best, 75% his. (The rest Bowie's, or Ezrin's, Or Quine's.) I wouldn't have thought the undisputed leader of the Velvets would need a partner more than the guy whose entire image is based on a yin/yang relationship with a competitor/collaborator, but as I look at it, those are the facts. That makes a lot of sense but I can't agree.
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Post by daveythefatboy on Dec 10, 2020 17:42:38 GMT
One revelatory album and several good but flawed ones (and a couple of bold experiments that fall flat but at least are bold) and, when looked at seriously, one of the best singles runs of the 70s (easily better than any other ex-Beatle - yes, I said it) vs. A mish-mosh of everything from inspired but flawed to "what the hell was he thinking?" with a grand total of one big hit (great in its own way but mostly in a "I can't believe they played that on the radio" way. Yeah, it's Lennon, pretty easily. Reed has no answer for POB. Even his best work is, at best, 75% his. (The rest Bowie's, or Ezrin's, Or Quine's.) I wouldn't have thought the undisputed leader of the Velvets would need a partner more than the guy whose entire image is based on a yin/yang relationship with a competitor/collaborator, but as I look at it, those are the facts. Imagine is a lot better than “good but flawed”, I’d describe Lennon’s solo career as “one revelatory album, a great album, and several good but flawed albums”. Otherwise i think you’ve nailed it.
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Post by daveythefatboy on Dec 10, 2020 17:46:40 GMT
I think the votes on this thread would look completely different if the voters were forced to listen to the albums in question for 24 hours.
Can you imagine the hell of trying to actually listen to those Reed albums back to back?
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 10, 2020 18:05:16 GMT
One revelatory album and several good but flawed ones (and a couple of bold experiments that fall flat but at least are bold) and, when looked at seriously, one of the best singles runs of the 70s (easily better than any other ex-Beatle - yes, I said it) vs. A mish-mosh of everything from inspired but flawed to "what the hell was he thinking?" with a grand total of one big hit (great in its own way but mostly in a "I can't believe they played that on the radio" way. Yeah, it's Lennon, pretty easily. Reed has no answer for POB. Even his best work is, at best, 75% his. (The rest Bowie's, or Ezrin's, Or Quine's.) I wouldn't have thought the undisputed leader of the Velvets would need a partner more than the guy whose entire image is based on a yin/yang relationship with a competitor/collaborator, but as I look at it, those are the facts. That makes a lot of sense but I can't agree. one of the best singles runs of the 70s
I mean honestly?
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Post by oh oooh on Dec 10, 2020 18:07:20 GMT
Well it all stopped in 1975 anyway. And there wasn't much to laugh about after 1972.
I'm feeling VERY distant from our American friends here lately.
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Post by loveless on Dec 10, 2020 18:17:24 GMT
one of the best singles runs of the 70s
I mean honestly? He's said it before, and I have no doubt that he feels it to be true, but...dear God, no thank you.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 10, 2020 18:17:33 GMT
Well it all stopped in 1975 anyway. And there wasn't much to laugh about after 1972. I'm feeling VERY distant from our American friends here lately. Don't dismiss them all....just the Californians.
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Post by toomanyhatz on Dec 10, 2020 18:25:58 GMT
Shaved Fish, man...just listen. I'll take it end-to-end. In that context, something like "Power to the People" suddenly sounds less naïve and dated (seriously, that opening - pretty damned powerful), and "Mind Games" sounds like the great single it is freed from the 'disappointing' album (which is underrated imo, but that's another story...)
I like Double Fantasy less than most of us, probably, but still...I'll take it over Sally Can't Dance.
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Post by Charlie O. on Dec 10, 2020 18:29:40 GMT
I'd say "Power To The People" and "Woman is The Ni--er Of The World" are the turds in the punch bowl, their right on sentiments notwithstanding.
But otherwise - yeah, not a bad run at all.
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Post by loveless on Dec 10, 2020 18:32:40 GMT
I actually LOVE "Power..." (mostly for the sound of the thing), and dig to hear it on the radio or on 45 (this is my fetish, but...it's a great fucking SOUND of a thing).
But...I am not fucking around with Shaved Fish.
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Post by toomanyhatz on Dec 10, 2020 18:38:59 GMT
Quaco once wrote a pretty spirited defense of WitNotW - It didn't make me love it, but he made a good case.
Dated/of the time/whatever else you want to say about them, it's pretty much unprecedented that someone at that level would be that direct and contentious, and infuse it with so much pop smarts to boot. Certainly Bowie or Neil or Elton (or whoever else we'd put at the top level that I think Lennon shares) don't manage it.
Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Post by Charlie O. on Dec 10, 2020 18:48:05 GMT
Quaco once wrote a pretty spirited defense of WitNotW - It didn't make me love it, but he made a good case. I remember him writing a defense of Lennon's use of "the N word" - which I agreed with, just as I broadly agree with the idea behind the song. I just don't think it's a good song, or a good record. But that's me.
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Post by loveless on Dec 10, 2020 18:51:43 GMT
Yeah (and...in no way challenging hatz's inalienable right to enjoy what he enjoys), for me, the poor quality of the song and record (as I hear them) is a thing that emphasizes the abrasiveness of the keyword. If it sounded like "Julia", I think the mailman would be singing it.
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Post by loveless on Dec 10, 2020 18:54:00 GMT
"Christmas Number One, that!"
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