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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 22:57:24 GMT
although the high rating of "Woman is..." has me a bit worried! High rating by whom? Unless I missed something none of us really like it! Hatz and Davey |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 23:00:14 GMT
Really?? It's classic Reed rock n' roll swagger.
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Post by Charlie O. on Dec 10, 2020 23:01:51 GMT
High rating by whom? Unless I missed something none of us really like it! Hatz and Davey Hatz' praise was lukewarm at best - "Quaco once wrote a pretty spirited defense of WitNotW - It didn't make me love it" - and Davey said it was "a good record... [but] a bad single, because at the end of the day... it just doesn’t have much of a hook. It isn’t a memorable tune." |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 23:13:45 GMT
"it's pretty much unprecedented that someone at that level would be that direct and contentious, and infuse it with so much pop smarts to boot. Certainly Bowie or Neil or Elton (or whoever else we'd put at the top level that I think Lennon shares) don't manage it"
Hardly lukewarm Charlie, but anyway..
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Post by daveythefatboy on Dec 10, 2020 23:16:28 GMT
Hatz' praise was lukewarm at best - "Quaco once wrote a pretty spirited defense of WitNotW - It didn't make me love it" - and Davey said it was "a good record... [but] a bad single, because at the end of the day... it just doesn’t have much of a hook. It isn’t a memorable tune." Actually - the biggest failure is that the words just sound like an awkward fit to the music. Not something that was usually an issue with Lennon, but is almost ALWAYS true of Reed. |
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Post by oh oooh on Dec 10, 2020 23:20:53 GMT
Really?? It's classic Reed rock n' roll swagger.
I always think it sounds flimsy. It sort of ticks and taps along. But actually there isn't really a track on Transformer I don't like. It's SUCH a strong collection. |
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Post by toomanyhatz on Dec 10, 2020 23:24:25 GMT
"it's pretty much unprecedented that someone at that level would be that direct and contentious, and infuse it with so much pop smarts to boot. Certainly Bowie or Neil or Elton (or whoever else we'd put at the top level that I think Lennon shares) don't manage it"Hardly lukewarm Charlie, but anyway.. Except that was praise for the Shaved Fish collection, not WitNotW specifically. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. I think it's made better in that context. But it's probably the first track I'd do away with if I had to ditch one. I often skip it. |
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Post by oh oooh on Dec 10, 2020 23:26:34 GMT
Did John and Lou's paths ever cross?
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Post by daveythefatboy on Dec 10, 2020 23:29:58 GMT
I'd struggle to come up with 10 great Lennon solo tracks I've got to say, but I'm interested to see what you both would pick, although the high rating of "Woman is..." has me a bit worried! Instant Karma #9 Dream Gimme Some Truth Out The Blue Jealous Guy I Found Out Oh My Love Isolation Mind Games Bless You That’s just top of mind. |
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Post by Charlie O. on Dec 10, 2020 23:30:47 GMT
Did John and Lou's paths ever cross? Not that I can recall. Lou did meet with Brian Epstein, shortly before he died - that's the closest connection I can come up with offhand! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 0:01:26 GMT
"it's pretty much unprecedented that someone at that level would be that direct and contentious, and infuse it with so much pop smarts to boot. Certainly Bowie or Neil or Elton (or whoever else we'd put at the top level that I think Lennon shares) don't manage it"Hardly lukewarm Charlie, but anyway.. Except that was praise for the Shaved Fish collection, not WitNotW specifically. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. I think it's made better in that context. But it's probably the first track I'd do away with if I had to ditch one. I often skip it. Fair enough. I misunderstood. |
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Apr 21, 2024 13:16:43 GMT
I suppose the issue for me is I don't like POB as much as everyone else. It's certainly uncompromising, but that makes it quite one-dimensional too and hard for me to love. It famously came out of his therapy, but actually sounds like it too, it feels quite one sided and difficult to immerse yourself in as you're essentially an onlooker to JL'S traumas. It's very piano based and feels like a gloomy, angry Elton John. Still 'Working Class Hero' and God are undeniably stark, powerful songs.
Then there's the rest of the discography, which is very patchy. Lennon's instincts weren't always good. Walls and Bridges is the only solo album I like returning to.
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Post by oh oooh on Apr 21, 2024 13:31:23 GMT
'Working Class Hero' has very little to do with music, as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by adamcoan on Apr 21, 2024 15:35:02 GMT
An Internet critic is something to be.
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Post by davey on Apr 21, 2024 18:23:12 GMT
I think POB is perhaps the greatest single artistic-statement-album of all time. To the extent that you view any album as a kind of postcard from wherever the artist-in-question’s mental and emotional state was at the time it was being made… I don’t think anyone has ever done better.
I also think it is musically compelling as hell.
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