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Post by tory on Dec 27, 2020 10:08:12 GMT
Yesterday it was reported that, despite a Pandemic and online shopping now being so easy, there were still people getting up at 3am to queue for the Boxing Day Sales in various Tier 2 and 3 places.
I checked my email this morning and saw that I got 150 marketing emails to an older email account between Xmas eve and this morning.
Has consumerism, particularly in the UK, "defeated" Anglican Christianity? Or will the Pandemic be the final deathblow?
I couldn't go to a Carol service on Xmas eve, which was very disappointing. I'm not a practising Christian and am essentially an agnostic, but I want to keep the culture that surrounds it alive, because it serves an important role for community, particularly for older people. I had thought that perhaps the Pandemic might, at least for one year, defeat the Boxing Day rampage, but sadly not (at least in Tier 2 and Tier 3).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 10:49:15 GMT
Christmas has long been a consumerist festival, it only really has a religious significance for a small minority. I'm not sure why the pandemic would change that.
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Post by oh oooh on Dec 27, 2020 11:02:46 GMT
It depends what you mean by 'religious significance'.
I think (this year excepted for obvious reasons) there's been a small upturn in numbers attending mass during the Xmas period. I guess most of these people don't believe in God the way devout Catholics do, but they're looking for something spiritual, peaceful, social - that kind of thing. It's entirely understandable.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 11:46:33 GMT
It depends what you mean by 'religious significance'. I think (this year excepted for obvious reasons) there's been a small upturn in numbers attending mass during the Xmas period. I guess most of these people don't believe in God the way devout Catholics do, but they're looking for something spiritual, peaceful, social - that kind of thing. It's entirely understandable. I'm not saying it isn't. I'm just saying that for most people Christmas is not really a religious festival and hasn't been for many decades. The original post seemed to imply, if I understood it correctly, that this kind of consumerism is recent and somehow linked to the pandemic.
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Dec 27, 2020 11:49:27 GMT
Religiosity could return strongly if the pandemic were to worsen.
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Post by rayge on Dec 27, 2020 13:01:32 GMT
Religiosity could return strongly if the pandemic were to worsen. Completely different in UK and USA. It may well increase in the already strong Southern Baptist nutjob tendency in the US, but Anglicanism isn't really about religiosity: it's about politics, really, once memorably described as the Conservative Party at prayer |
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Post by rayge on Dec 27, 2020 13:10:46 GMT
Has consumerism, particularly in the UK, "defeated" Anglican Christianity? Or will the Pandemic be the final deathblow? The current Anglican establishment is in a much healthier state in terms of attendees and property wealth than it was in the late-18th and early-19th century. It has been a minority interest for much of the last 100 years, and its power has been waning from its Victorian heyday, but there will be no deathblow, as such, in my lifetime. |
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Post by DarknessFish on Dec 27, 2020 18:52:13 GMT
I feel like a trick was missed by keeping shops open, personally, during the run up to Christmas. A time to help curtail the rampant consumerism, like we could have all agreed to hardly spend, and appreciate what we have. Would've been good to open pubs and restaurants, too.
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Post by toomanyhatz on Dec 27, 2020 20:36:55 GMT
Religiosity could return strongly if the pandemic were to worsen. Completely different in UK and USA. It may well increase in the already strong Southern Baptist nutjob tendency in the US, but Anglicanism isn't really about religiosity: it's about politics, really, once memorably described as the Conservative Party at prayer So is the Southern Baptist Nutjob Tendency (political, that is). How you get Trump support out of that, I'll never know, but I think it's in large part due to political manipulation behind the scenes. Either that or they have a different bible from the one I have. Off-topic, I realize, but as an actual church-going person myself I think the typical American view is totally upside-down. The churches that are suing to remain open at full capacity are following their local councils, who are politically motivated, rather than their beliefs. They say God is everywhere, and the church is within, but when it comes time to act it out, uh... |
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Post by sloopjohnc on Dec 28, 2020 15:00:02 GMT
Completely different in UK and USA. It may well increase in the already strong Southern Baptist nutjob tendency in the US, but Anglicanism isn't really about religiosity: it's about politics, really, once memorably described as the Conservative Party at prayer So is the Southern Baptist Nutjob Tendency (political, that is). How you get Trump support out of that, I'll never know, but I think it's in large part due to political manipulation behind the scenes. One word: judges. |
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