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Post by oh oooh on Aug 24, 2021 14:57:41 GMT
I see what you're saying but that doesn't contradict my main point. There are disparate groups which have faced differing levels of historic abuse but what Cleese said was reasonable AS A STARTING POINTIt's completely inaccurate and misrepresentative as a definition of how 'political correction' started. People didn't just wake up and say 'Oooh I think we all should be nicer to each other'. The targets of early political correctness were specifically to do with racism and sexism, hence comedians like Jim Davidson and Bernard Manning disappearing from our screens by the late eighties. Yes, of course, it's not how PC started - but Cleese is simplifying the basic ideas behind it. That's what he meant by 'starting point'
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Post by oh oooh on Aug 24, 2021 14:58:27 GMT
You're looking for flaws in what you assume (probably correctly) to be Cleese's thinking. I get that 'be nice to people' is a trite expression but I can't really fault it as a way to go about your life. Can you? I don't know if you're deliberately missing my point here, it would seem so..so I'll put it in the bluntest terms possible: I am NOT saying 'be nice to people' is a bad thing to say or way to live your life, I AM saying it is a pretty CRAP definition of political correctness. Where did anyone say it was a definition?
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Post by clive gash on Aug 24, 2021 15:02:00 GMT
Come on people, be nice.
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Post by tory on Aug 24, 2021 15:10:20 GMT
Being civil is far better and more important than being nice.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 15:10:21 GMT
I don't know if you're deliberately missing my point here, it would seem so..so I'll put it in the bluntest terms possible: I am NOT saying 'be nice to people' is a bad thing to say or way to live your life, I AM saying it is a pretty CRAP definition of political correctness. Where did anyone say it was a definition? [Political correctness] stuff started out as a good idea, which is, ‘Let’s not be mean to people’, and I’m in favour of that despite my age,” www.theguardian.com/culture/2021/aug/24/cancel-me-john-cleese-to-present-channel-4-show-on--thought
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Post by oh oooh on Aug 24, 2021 15:13:46 GMT
Being civil is far better and more important than being nice. I don't think the difference, such as it is, is worth disputing at this point. Anyway I'm leaving the thread cos you're all nuts. Enjoy Cleese!
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Aug 24, 2021 15:31:58 GMT
Zizek is good on this sorta stuff but fuck knows what's up with that cunts nose!
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Post by tory on Aug 24, 2021 15:37:56 GMT
JC has never been nice to the prog lads!
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Aug 24, 2021 15:47:14 GMT
But he was TRUTHFUL! Sometimes being truthful means not being nice.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 15:54:49 GMT
Typical Tory wankers ignoring the history of discrimination people face. Only last week PB was turned away from the pub by a burly bouncer for wearing his satin ALAN PARSONS PROJECT tour jacket. I mean he's a member of society, he has rights too!
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Aug 24, 2021 16:05:57 GMT
Progphobia....add it to the list of hate crimes.
"So Sir, you say you were walking down the street and somebody noticed your t-shirt and yelled out, "Gentle Giant suck!", is that correct?"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 16:39:08 GMT
Thought this is the most civil we've been when discussing this. Beautiful to see.
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Post by Sneelock on Aug 24, 2021 18:50:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 19:02:58 GMT
Thought this is the most civil we've been when discussing this. Beautiful to see. John FLOUNCED from the thread!
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Aug 24, 2021 21:27:33 GMT
Another example of conservative cancel culture.... This stunning and brave teacher has apparently now been sacked after teaching the truth to pre-schoolers.... http://instagr.am/p/CSpa3_pnMCo Another poor victim
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