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Post by fonz on Jan 6, 2024 22:54:03 GMT
Wow. It is interesting that he is so brazen about things. It is sad that you know it happens and most of us fall for it. And all that will happen now is some left wingers will do a deep dive into this guy's life and find some transgression to ruin his career. it's a never ending cycle. It helps no one and certainly doesn't improve society. They can get away with transgressions. Look at trump. Look at bojo. Their supporters don’t care.
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Post by davey on Jan 7, 2024 11:17:28 GMT
And all that will happen now is some left wingers will do a deep dive into this guy's life and find some transgression to ruin his career. it's a never ending cycle. It helps no one and certainly doesn't improve society. They can get away with transgressions. Look at trump. Look at bojo. Their supporters don’t care. Yeah. When’s the last time this “cycle” played out? Who’s the last political operative on the right the left dispensed with?
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Jan 7, 2024 14:25:54 GMT
They can get away with transgressions. Look at trump. Look at bojo. Their supporters don’t care. Yeah. When’s the last time this “cycle” played out? Who’s the last political operative on the right the left dispensed with? I was trying to make a deeper point about the perils of seeing everything as a political war to be fought over.
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Sneelock
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Post by Sneelock on Jan 8, 2024 19:30:19 GMT
I understand G but I'm really starting to think that we do NOT look at it that way at our own peril. Friends of mine support a man who said he is going to be a "Dictator but only on Day One" so, he has SAID, out loud, that he intends to be a dictator. who cares if it's for one day? He wants power that nobody has ever requested for themselves in America before. One of the two major political parties in America seems to be cool with that.
people who don't support TRUMP he calls "vermin" that needs to be "crushed" well, if those ain't fightin' words then what is?
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Post by tory on Jan 9, 2024 7:59:08 GMT
When you actually look at Dr Gay's achievements, I'm surprised she got the position in the first place. She has written a total of 11 peer reviewed articles in her career and now has a number of accusations of plagiarism over those articles. She has not even written one book. Generally, I would say that people are awarded such a prestigious position after a prestigious academic career - and that the writing of books is generally accepted as a marker of academic excellence. www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/opinion/harvard-claudine-gay-resignation.html
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Post by adamcoan on Jan 9, 2024 8:24:05 GMT
I dunno, Truss, Trump,Bush,Boris. They ran countries FFS.
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Post by davey on Jan 9, 2024 8:50:03 GMT
When you actually look at Dr Gay's achievements, I'm surprised she got the position in the first place. She has written a total of 11 peer reviewed articles in her career and now has a number of accusations of plagiarism over those articles. She has not even written one book. Generally, I would say that people are awarded such a prestigious position after a prestigious academic career - and that the writing of books is generally accepted as a marker of academic excellence. www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/opinion/harvard-claudine-gay-resignation.htmlThis is interesting because I just looked up the Presidents of the three most conservative colleges in America (Brigham Young University, Liberty University, and Bob Jones University). Zero evidence of ANY books between them (Bob Jones currently has an interim President, but neither he nor the last actual President appear to have written a book. I’ll bet you dollars to donuts the guy they hire won’t have either). They should all resign too. Right?
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Post by tory on Jan 9, 2024 9:00:31 GMT
I dunno, Truss, Trump,Bush,Boris. They ran countries FFS. Three of those four were elected by the people. I believe Harvard elects by committee, led by its own corporation. I'm not too hot on how Universities select Presidents and perhaps they don't need someone who is an academic to be one. But I'm just a bit surprised that an institution that is fundamentally about academic excellence would not have someone running it who was not also an avatar of that idea. Then again, many institutions are run by people who are essentially bureaucrats.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Jan 9, 2024 9:10:46 GMT
I understand G but I'm really starting to think that we do NOT look at it that way at our own peril. Friends of mine support a man who said he is going to be a "Dictator but only on Day One" so, he has SAID, out loud, that he intends to be a dictator. who cares if it's for one day? He wants power that nobody has ever requested for themselves in America before. One of the two major political parties in America seems to be cool with that. people who don't support TRUMP he calls "vermin" that needs to be "crushed" well, if those ain't fightin' words then what is? I'm not sure those points on Trump contradict anything I've said though.
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Post by adamcoan on Jan 9, 2024 9:13:29 GMT
Yeah, but if people think that someone has the ability and the intelligence to run a country then they should vote for them. That clearly isn't an issue for the people. I don't know, maybe she was voted in on the making Harvard great again ticket.
The U.K and the U.S are both hell bent on having idiots in charge. It's a thing.
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Post by fearlessfreap on Jan 9, 2024 12:00:11 GMT
Universities, at least American private ones hire on the basis of fundraising ability. Other things factor in but this is paramount. This is also why the ones targeted by MAGA lost their jobs. It had nothing to do with ideals, and everything to do with donors withholding money. I went to a lowly state college, so what do I know?
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Post by davey on Jan 9, 2024 19:12:20 GMT
Yeah. When’s the last time this “cycle” played out? Who’s the last political operative on the right the left dispensed with? I was trying to make a deeper point about the perils of seeing everything as a political war to be fought over. Sure. But you are sidestepping the asymmetry here. No doubt that there are plenty on the left who indulge this dynamic. But I asked you directly who exactly the left had successfully taken off the board in this manner for a reason. If the conceit is that both sides do it, then how exactly is that playing out on the left?
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Post by Sneelock on Jan 9, 2024 19:22:09 GMT
something's gotta give.
I mean, this "eliminationist" rhetoric has been going on - on the American Right for YEARS! Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Newt Gingrich and now a former President of the United States.make no mistake - these people are loaded for Bear. the time to PUSH BACK on this "Enemies of America" shit is LONG past due. Biden's speech at Valley Forge was a gentle demi-plie in the right direction. IMO Dems need to lace up the boots and do some rhetorical STOMPIN'
I mean DJT got 6 million dollars, in 2 years, from China ALONE while POTUS! we now know what we suspected about Jan 6th. He WANTED it to happen and didn't lift a finger to stop it. enemies of America?? DEMS could start flipping this narrative any day now if they had a mind to.
we didn't start this "us versus them" horeshit but we need to finish it before they finish US. I really don't think I'm overreacting.
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Post by davey on Jan 9, 2024 21:47:08 GMT
Yeah. He’s right.
Look - I’m pretty temperamentally moderate. I don’t see all of the good lining up on any side of the ideology divide. But very little of this is about ideology anymore. If the debate were just about the size of government, the social safety net, or tax rates… I’d be more than willing to concede the validity of arguments from the right.
Maybe this doesn’t translate outside of the US (but given the rise of authoritarian governments in Europe, I don’t understand why it wouldn’t), but we’re not really fighting those old ideological battles anymore. What’s fundamentally at issue is ‘who is a real American, and who isn’t.’
What the right has decided is that nobody from the Democratic Party can ever legitimately hold power. Further, they’ve determined that nobody in the Democratic coalition has a a legitimate right to their vote. So they inhibit who can vote. When they lose, they either deny the loss or take power away from the winner.
What does it mean when a guy like Trump declares himself a candidate and then proclaims that he won’t respect the outcome of the vote unless he wins? Isn’t he essentially just declaring himself President?
G, I know you mean well. I get the urge to be even-handed about things. But you can’t democratize the blame for fascism. In fact, that’s what fascists count on - that when push comes to shove, nobody will hold them accountable for fear of looking like a partisan.
I’ll concede that there is more than a little bad behavior on the left. There’s dumbshittery on the internet and some more dumbshittery in the halls of power. But Democrats aren’t trying to exclude Republicans from Democracy itself. That’s only happening from the other direction.
We can’t afford to pretend otherwise anymore if we hope to survive as a Democracy.
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Post by adamcoan on Jan 9, 2024 22:05:54 GMT
God, country & Trump.
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