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Post by Reactionary Rage on Aug 13, 2021 14:19:46 GMT
B is actually quite good even if it doesn't all hang together. Ended up reminding me of the Rubettes.
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Post by fonz on Aug 13, 2021 16:16:31 GMT
B is too whiny. I had to urge to buy a baseball bat, track the fella down, and beat him to death. And I’m a pacifist!
A was sensual, as others have noted. No idea what the song was about. Probably sometheng really mundane or deliberately silly, just to confuse the gringos, but it gets my vote.
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Post by neige on Aug 14, 2021 9:20:51 GMT
A was sensual, as others have noted. No idea what the song was about. Probably sometheng really mundane or deliberately silly, just to confuse the gringos. A LOL ... you decide:
With every word With every smile With every look With every caress I approach the water Drinking your kiss The light of your face The light of your body
It's a plea to love you It's the song of a mute A blind man's gaze Naked secret I surrender myself to your arms With fear and calm And a plea in my mouth And a plea in my soul
With every word With every smile With every look With every caress I approach the fire That burns everything The light of your face The light of your body
It's a plea to love you It's the song of a mute A blind man's gaze Naked secret I surrender myself to your arms With fear and calm And a plea in my mouth And a plea in my soul
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Post by neige on Aug 14, 2021 9:41:02 GMT
I was ready to love B until it suddenly went Sha-Na-Na. Fange sums up my feelings real nicely: B (...) seems bolted together is a slightly strange way to my ears, a mix of stuff that sounds good at some points but off at others.
Anyway, A - great voice, great sound, great arrangement.
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Post by morgan on Aug 14, 2021 15:30:17 GMT
Both quite charming in their own way but A has the edge
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Post by rayge on Aug 16, 2021 11:13:00 GMT
This was OK, I enjoyed the backing and the strings arrangement, but didn't connect with the vocals, and of course missed out on the lyric completely #proudanglophone
Spector? what the fuck are you guys on? some ’60s influences, yes, but more Beach Boys. Uncategorisable, odd, acid-drenched. A rare case of me being in agreement with skope.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 11:19:40 GMT
This was OK, I enjoyed the backing and the strings arrangement, but didn't connect with the vocals, and of course missed out on the lyric completely #proudanglophone Spector? what the fuck are you guys on? some ’60s influences, yes, but more Beach Boys. Uncategorisable, odd, acid-drenched. A rare case of me being in agreement with skope. B You always get so defensive when his name is mentioned. I think it was what the record was trying for. Listen to the yearning, pleading vocal, punctuated by a booming drum..there's your Spector template right there. The comparison is obvious.
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Post by rayge on Aug 16, 2021 11:38:04 GMT
This was OK, I enjoyed the backing and the strings arrangement, but didn't connect with the vocals, and of course missed out on the lyric completely #proudanglophone Spector? what the fuck are you guys on? some ’60s influences, yes, but more Beach Boys. Uncategorisable, odd, acid-drenched. A rare case of me being in agreement with skope. B You always get so defensive when his name is mentioned. I think it was what the record was trying for. Listen to the yearning, pleading vocal, punctuated by a booming drum..there's your Spector template right there. The comparison is obvious. Of course it wasn't what they were aiming for. You simply haven't heard as much 60s pop as I have, I fucking grew up on it. The yearning, pleading vocal was a staple of the girl group sound that pre-dated Spector. I also think you mis-represented my reply as defensive - it's just about terminology. The distinctive elements of the Philles Spector/Nitsche sound were use of echo, mono only, minimal separation of instruments, complex arrangements, etc. - none of that is in evidence on this track, which is verging on minimalist
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Post by oh oooh on Aug 16, 2021 12:27:04 GMT
You always get so defensive when his name is mentioned. I think it was what the record was trying for. Listen to the yearning, pleading vocal, punctuated by a booming drum..there's your Spector template right there. The comparison is obvious. Of course it wasn't what they were aiming for. You simply haven't heard as much 60s pop as I have, I fucking grew up on it. for fuck's sake Ray honestly there is NO NEED to get so defensive!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 12:30:02 GMT
They're going for that early 60s girl group sound and song, of which Spector is the most famous exemplifier. Pleading chorus with dramatic punctuation stabs of piano and drums, rising emotive chorus that increases in volume, love hurt lyric etc. That they can't replicate the specifics of his recording techniques is neither here nor there.
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Post by rayge on Aug 16, 2021 12:42:38 GMT
Of course it wasn't what they were aiming for. You simply haven't heard as much 60s pop as I have, I fucking grew up on it. for fuck's sake Ray honestly there is NO NEED to get so defensive! But LANGUAGE is UNDER ATTACK
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Post by rayge on Aug 16, 2021 12:53:20 GMT
They're going for that early 60s girl group sound and song, of which Spector is the most famous exemplifier. OK, G, he may be to you, but that's because you weren't there, and hven't listened to as much as I have. From my perspective, basically that is bullshit. The sound you are talinbg about was established before he came on the scene, and on Philles, where the 'Spector sound' was developed, he only recorded two girl groups, the Ronettes and the Crystals, and the latter were much ballsier, more R&B, in their biggest hits, and their output had a very varied sound palette, largely, but not completely, depending on whether it was the actual Crystals or Darlene Love and the Blossoms doing the vocals. Ronnie Spector had ayearning, pleading voice, but that was it for Spector and the 'Girl Group Sound'. Off the top of my head, I can recall The Chiffons, Shangs and Shirelles had more and bigger hits than either the Ronettes or the Crystal.
And the Lanzon and Husband rekkid, two guys from psychedlic bands, are quite clearly, to my ears, evoking the late fifties/early Sities 'High School' pop bands, like the early Beach Boys.
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Post by DarknessFish on Aug 16, 2021 12:56:54 GMT
Sounds like the fucking Bay City Rollers to me.
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Post by rayge on Aug 16, 2021 12:59:22 GMT
Sounds like the fucking Bay City Rollers to me. more like them, or the Rubettes, as someone mentioned upthread, than anything released on Philles to me, too.
Although better production naturally as it was American
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 13:21:39 GMT
My last word on it, but you don't have to have been there or know the detailed history of that era, you just have to have heard a record like 'Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow'.
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