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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2021 16:59:10 GMT
Which women should have been mentioned as equivalents of the writers in the opening post? enid blyton jilly cooper Who are they equivalents of? |
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Post by cousinlou on Oct 28, 2021 17:57:42 GMT
Who are they equivalents of? Blyton must be Kerouacs equivalent. |
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Post by Sneelock on Oct 28, 2021 17:58:33 GMT
did she write on butcher rolls and drink too much?
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Post by oh oooh on Oct 28, 2021 18:02:28 GMT
Are butcher rolls like corn dogs?
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Post by Sneelock on Oct 28, 2021 18:05:22 GMT
stop making me hungry.
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Post by cousinlou on Oct 28, 2021 19:18:07 GMT
did she write on butcher rolls and drink too much? No, she also liked to get home to her mum. |
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Oct 28, 2021 19:29:13 GMT
Some favorites:
Leslie Marmon Silko
N Scott Momaday
Louise Erdrich
Richard Wright
Ralph Ellison
Leroi Jones/Amiri Baraka
Ishmael Reed
Octavia Butler
Henry Roth
John Dos Passos
Raymond Chandler
Colin Whitehead
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Post by oleandermedian on Oct 29, 2021 9:40:06 GMT
There's a certain school of American writing which is usually a family saga with a late middle aged male at its centre. You get it with Bellow, Philip Roth, John Updike etc.. Lots of introspection, the smallest incidents given great detail and there'll be 600 pages of it. I really struggle with it I must say. I was erming and ahhing over whether to buy Jonathan Franzen's The Corrections the other day. In the end I demurred because I thought it'll be more of that stuff.I’ve always shyed away from Bellow, Roth and Updike for precisely those reasons. Also because of their massive egos, in the case of Roth and Updike at least. I think it must be difficult for US writers as so many of them seem conditioned to want to write the Great American Novel – it’s like some kind of compulsory dream they have to pursue. One US writer I must read is Cormac McCarthy. One I’ve started reading quite recently is Denis Johnson – Jesus’ Son is probably my favourite thing I’ve read all year. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2021 9:44:30 GMT
There's a certain school of American writing which is usually a family saga with a late middle aged male at its centre. You get it with Bellow, Philip Roth, John Updike etc.. Lots of introspection, the smallest incidents given great detail and there'll be 600 pages of it. I really struggle with it I must say. I was erming and ahhing over whether to buy Jonathan Franzen's The Corrections the other day. In the end I demurred because I thought it'll be more of that stuff.I’ve always shyed away from Bellow, Roth and Updike for precisely those reasons. Also because of their massive egos, in the case of Roth and Updike at least. I think it must be difficult for US writers as so many of them seem conditioned to want to write the Great American Novel – it’s like some kind of compulsory dream they have to pursue. One US writer I must read is Cormac McCarthy. One I’ve started reading quite recently is Denis Johnson – Jesus’ Son is probably my favourite thing I’ve read all year. I've been looking out for some new writers to discover, so I'll check him out. |
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Post by oh oooh on Oct 29, 2021 9:50:50 GMT
If you're also talking about Cormac McCarthy, G, then you should definitely read The Road. It's extraordinary.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2021 9:58:07 GMT
If you're also talking about Cormac McCarthy, G, then you should definitely read The Road. It's extraordinary. I couldn't get into it. But I might give it another go. |
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Post by oleandermedian on Oct 29, 2021 10:04:40 GMT
Kerouac - No immediate equivalent comes to mind, but in one aspect you could say Colin MacInnes. Both write about outsiders, youthful rebellion, the marginalised, sub-cultures etc. MacInnes doesn't have Kerouac's poetic lyricism,pantheistic love of nature and a whole lot more besides, so the comparison is admittedly a limited one. Alexander Trocchi (not English, though neither was MacInnes of course) perhaps - the "beat" connection - although he's a more obvious counterpart to William Burroughs I suppose. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2021 10:13:00 GMT
Kerouac - No immediate equivalent comes to mind, but in one aspect you could say Colin MacInnes. Both write about outsiders, youthful rebellion, the marginalised, sub-cultures etc. MacInnes doesn't have Kerouac's poetic lyricism,pantheistic love of nature and a whole lot more besides, so the comparison is admittedly a limited one. Alexander Trocchi (not English, though neither was MacInnes of course) perhaps - the "beat" connection - although he's a more obvious counterpart to William Burroughs I suppose. I've only read Young Adam ( I have an original, although rather battered, Olympia Press edition). I really liked that a lot, with its evocative Scottish lowlands setting of canals and out of the way towns. But what it really reminded me of, both in style and theme, was Camus' L'Etranger. It was like a British version. Great book. |
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Post by oleandermedian on Oct 29, 2021 10:34:08 GMT
One of the greats!
I was just delving on amazon last night for Somerset Maugham short stories – there are loads of them and I definitely haven’t read them all. I like the look of Far Eastern Tales and More Far Eastern Tales as I tend to prefer the stories in exotic settings. He’s a reactionary old duffer but he's much more interesting than e.g. Kipling. Although one of my favourite SM stories is the one about the author who is famed and feted in salons all across London for her skilled deployment of the semi-colon, and then her husband leaves her for a detective story writer in Streatham. Or maybe the author is a man and it’s his wife who moves out - I can't remember. But it always reminds me of Play with Fire by the Rolling Stones, and vice versa – that “now she gets her kicks in Stepney not in Knightsbridge any more” line.
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Post by oleandermedian on Oct 29, 2021 10:53:27 GMT
Alexander Trocchi (not English, though neither was MacInnes of course) perhaps - the "beat" connection - although he's a more obvious counterpart to William Burroughs I suppose. I've only read Young Adam ( I have an original, although rather battered, Olympia Press edition). I really liked that a lot, with its evocative Scottish lowlands setting of canals and out of the way towns. But what it really reminded me of, both in style and theme, was Camus' L'Etranger. It was like a British version. Great book. There are loads of similarities, yes. Although the atmosphere - the creepy stillness of the canal and so on - is all Trocchi. It also has a lot in common with what Alain Robbe-Grillet was doing at the same time (The Erasers, Jealousy).
Cain's Book is great too!
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