Paul Kingsnorth again on vaccines

[tory]

Another thoughtful discussion on a difficult subject.

[Sneelock]

behold the noble jackalope.

[Reasonable good Nick]

I disagree with Kingsnorth on a fair few things, but I very much like his books (both fiction and non-fiction) and I always enjoy hearing him speak. He's thoughtful and insightful, and he operates with integrity and good faith.

He's talking a lot of sense in this interview.

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Dec 1, 2021 14:34:14 GMT Reasonable good Nick said:

I disagree with Kingsnorth on a fair few things, but I very much like his books (both fiction and non-fiction) and I always enjoy hearing him speak. He's thoughtful and insightful, and he operates with integrity and good faith.

He's talking a lot of sense in this interview.

I've only read 'Real England: The Battle Against the Bland', but that really impressed me and made some things clearer. I keep meaning to read more by him.

[Reasonable good Nick]

Dec 1, 2021 14:49:26 GMT @madcyril1 said:

Dec 1, 2021 14:34:14 GMT Reasonable good Nick said:

I disagree with Kingsnorth on a fair few things, but I very much like his books (both fiction and non-fiction) and I always enjoy hearing him speak. He's thoughtful and insightful, and he operates with integrity and good faith.

He's talking a lot of sense in this interview.

I've only read 'Real England: The Battle Against the Bland', but that really impressed me and made some things clearer. I keep meaning to read more by him.

Yes, I liked that one a lot.

I recently read his Confessions of a Recovering Environmentalist, a collection of essays and blog pieces which amongst other things details his gradual disenchantment with the green movement (though not with concern for the environment, which continues to be one of his key interests) and it's really good. 

The Wake, a novel of the English resistance after the Norman Conquest told in a mixture of Anglo-Saxon and a sort of half-invented old English dialect is not an easy read, at least not until you get the hang of the language (like A Clockwork Orange and Riddley Walker) but it's very rewarding, and it spurred me to read more about that neglected bit of history. I keep meaning to get round to the two sequels.

[jimbo]

I am watching all this from Ireland, the country which has the highest adult vaccination rate in Western Europe, at over 94% of the population. At the same time, curiously, we have some of the highest covid infection rates in Western Europe too. The government has not been able to explain this fact, but it is a trend that has recently manifested in some other highly-vaccinated places too: Gibraltar, Israel, West Flanders. High levels of vaccination do not seem to correspond with low-levels of disease; often quite the opposite. ...

But it is clear enough by now that the Narrative is not true. Covid-19 is a nasty illness which should be taken seriously, especially by those who are especially vulnerable to it. But it is nowhere near dangerous enough - if anything could be - to justify the creation of a global police state. As for the vaccines - well, let's just acknowledge that vaccination has become a subject which it is virtually impossible to discuss with any calmness or clarity, at least in public. As with almost every other big issue in the West today, opinion is divided along tribal lines and filtered through the foetid swamp of anti-social media, to emerge monstrous and dripping into the light.

paulkingsnorth.substack.com/p/the-vaccine-moment-part-one

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Dec 4, 2021 14:27:24 GMT jimbo said:

I am watching all this from Ireland, the country which has the highest adult vaccination rate in Western Europe, at over 94% of the population. At the same time, curiously, we have some of the highest covid infection rates in Western Europe too. The government has not been able to explain this fact, but it is a trend that has recently manifested in some other highly-vaccinated places too: Gibraltar, Israel, West Flanders. High levels of vaccination do not seem to correspond with low-levels of disease; often quite the opposite. ...

That's a real headscratcher, but even I could figure out that if you have a highly vaccinated population, then those people are most likely going to behave like a highly-vaccinated population would, which is normally, and since the vaccine doesn't prevent people from catching or spreading Covid-19, more people are going to catch and spread Covid-19.

He can't figure that out?