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Post by "BING E BONG" on Sept 29, 2022 12:50:13 GMT
Ha ha ha!
Oh, isn't he magnificent in that thing?
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Post by "BING E BONG" on Sept 29, 2022 12:51:13 GMT
no but you should listen to Transformer again. It's the album Bowie should have made in '72
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Post by osgood on Sept 29, 2022 13:45:36 GMT
The solo-peak for both artists. Hmm, I think this asks for some challenging. Not sure in the case of Cale's (I'm not familiar with a large part of his works), but I'd put at least Berlin above Transformer, with Coney Island Baby and New York as strong contenders. |
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Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on Sept 29, 2022 15:04:40 GMT
Paris 1919 is a mature album, and Transformer is a fun album. I appreciate maturity in music, but fun is more fun.
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Also, I love that super-compressed guitar tone on songs like "Hangin' 'round" and "Wagon Wheel" more than almost anything in music.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Sept 29, 2022 17:40:01 GMT
no but you should listen to Transformer again. It's the album Bowie should have made in '72 Wasn't Ziggy good enough for you? |
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Sept 29, 2022 17:43:22 GMT
I suppose I should listen to 1919 one day. But there's something too starchy and stiff about the tracks I've heard. I feel like I'm listening to a vicar.
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Post by "BING E BONG" on Sept 29, 2022 17:59:43 GMT
no but you should listen to Transformer again. It's the album Bowie should have made in '72 Wasn't Ziggy good enough for you? Also a masterpiece. But not quite as good as Lou. |
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Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on Sept 29, 2022 18:19:06 GMT
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Sept 29, 2022 18:32:36 GMT
John only really likes Starman |
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Post by toomanyhatz on Sept 29, 2022 19:11:35 GMT
I prefer the albums on either side of Ziggy to Ziggy itself. (Same situation with T.Rex and Electric Warrior, BTW.) But Transformer is not on that level for me. I suppose I should listen to 1919 one day. But there's something too starchy and stiff about the tracks I've heard. I feel like I'm listening to a vicar. Hardly a vicar. The distantly-related royal son that's always getting into mischief with children of the house staff, more like. He's definitely 'formal' on some level, but there's a macabre sense always lurking beneath it that makes them anything but stiff, at least to my ears. |
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Post by "BING E BONG" on Sept 29, 2022 19:34:31 GMT
John only really likes Starman I love it all apart from the title track and that awful crap it ends with. But it's dated much more poorly than Transformer with its 'OH WOW GLAM BUM OOOH' preening and bawling - and of course there isn't anything there to compare on a songwriting level with 'Perfect Day'. Everything came together on that one album for Lou, exhibiting the best of his 'leftover' songs with the addition of Bowie's full-flight creativity and his delicate touch and Ronno's arrangements. |
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Post by "BING E BONG" on Sept 29, 2022 19:43:13 GMT
I suppose I should listen to 1919 one day. But there's something too starchy and stiff about the tracks I've heard. I feel like I'm listening to a vicar. Hardly a vicar. The distantly-related royal son that's always getting into mischief with children of the house staff, more like. He's definitely 'formal' on some level, but there's a macabre sense always lurking beneath it that makes them anything but stiff, at least to my ears. I'd agree. The classical music influence more than peeps through on a song like this - it has very little to do with rock but by God if he doesn't pull it off. It's sublime. |
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Post by quaco on Sept 29, 2022 19:43:55 GMT
Maybe I'll change my view one day, but I don't really like Transformer. I don't think Lou is served by this sort of treatment, and/or I don't believe him and it's a con. Must have been interesting for DB and Ronno to work on an album like this, with a hero like Lou. It's alright but it's just sort of sugar-coated, like someone wanted to be able to market Lou to the glam-rock crowd and he went along with it. I prefer Berlin for a produced work, or something like Take No Prisoners for the real Lou Reed. But then I'm not really a big fan of his solo stuff, so don't ask me!
Paris 1919, stodgy as it is in places, seems like what John Cale really was at that moment. It is a great collection of songs and sounds great. He has a bit more musicality to him, so it seems right that he would have a highly orchestrated album, even though The Academy in Peril is probably more him.
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Post by "BING E BONG" on Sept 29, 2022 19:45:41 GMT
this is the album's highlight for me
it's a beautiful piece of music with a sweet, subtle vocal by Cale, and some fine lyrics. It's bringing a tear to the eye.
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Post by "BING E BONG" on Sept 29, 2022 19:49:12 GMT
Maybe I'll change my view one day, but I don't really like Transformer. I don't think Lou is served by this sort of treatment, and/or I don't believe him and it's a con. Must have been interesting for DB and Ronno to work on an album like this, with a hero like Lou. It's alright but it's just sort of sugar-coated, like someone wanted to be able to market Lou to the glam-rock crowd and he went along with it. I prefer Berlin for a produced work, or something like Take No Prisoners for the real Lou Reed. Yeah, I get what you mean. It's an outlier, it lacks the grit and the NYC attitude of pretty much everything else he put out. I'm sure I read somewhere that he was virtually incoherent for most of the time this was produced, lying in a corner of the studio catatonic, they had to throw water over him so he'd get up for the vocal! but then Charlie posted that early version of 'Perfect Day' with just Lou and acoustic guitar, so he really wrote it himself, all those complex chord changes, and it's a hell of an achievement. He had enough about him for that, at least. |
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