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Post by tory on Sept 20, 2023 14:47:48 GMT
Is it achievable or is it madness?
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Sept 20, 2023 14:49:38 GMT
I don't know, but it should certainly be an aim.
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Sept 20, 2023 15:15:42 GMT
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Post by davey on Sept 20, 2023 15:15:42 GMT
ChatGPT Davey says…
“ Net zero, like, totally rocks, dude! It's all about groovin' with Mother Earth and, like, chillin' with the climate, man. We're talkin' about cuttin' down those gnarly greenhouse gases so that whatever's left gets balanced out by some cosmic actions to, you know, clear the vibes. But, like, we've gotta be cool about it, makin' sure our strategies are, like, totally fair and trippy for everyone. Peace, love, and saving the planet, dude! ✌️🌿 🌞”
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Post by souphound on Sept 20, 2023 15:58:57 GMT
The planet will only recover once we're all gone I'm afraid. Not much of a chance before then because too many (most) of us are way more concerned about our personal comfort and gratification than about the proper caring of our overall environment.
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Sept 20, 2023 16:00:53 GMT
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Post by oh oooh on Sept 20, 2023 16:00:53 GMT
That's it.
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Sept 20, 2023 19:36:10 GMT
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Post by DarknessFish on Sept 20, 2023 19:36:10 GMT
So long as that meat tax has gone, and we have fewer than seven bins, I'm happy for the world to burn.
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Post by cousinlou on Sept 21, 2023 7:52:17 GMT
So long as that meat tax has gone, and we have fewer than seven bins, I'm happy for the world to burn. I think it is achievable. Have strong doubts we will.
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Post by tory on Sept 21, 2023 11:52:18 GMT
Can someone please tell me how it is achievable with the current technology that we have, rather than what we might have in the future?
My problem with Net Zero is that it seems to be an objective with massively harmful consequences in achieving (i.e the economic damage caused by our switch away from fossil fuels) rather than say, "the race to the moon", which was completed without little or no consequence in getting to the goal itself. Furthermore, it is utterly reliant on the idea of "technological progress inevitably improving, which as a concept I find troubling. Batteries will get smaller, Technology will improve etc. It is not certain that these things will happen. Moore's Law about Computing, I believe, has now come to an end for example as engineering has pretty much accepted that the limits of silicon based computing have been reached.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Sept 21, 2023 12:21:19 GMT
Can someone please tell me how it is achievable with the current technology that we have, rather than what we might have in the future? My problem with Net Zero is that it seems to be an objective with massively harmful consequences in achieving (i.e the economic damage caused by our switch away from fossil fuels) rather than say, "the race to the moon", which was completed without little or no consequence in getting to the goal itself. Furthermore, it is utterly reliant on the idea of "technological progress inevitably improving, which as a concept I find troubling. Batteries will get smaller, Technology will improve etc. It is not certain that these things will happen. Moore's Law about Computing, I believe, has now come to an end for example as engineering has pretty much accepted that the limits of silicon based computing have been reached. But you accept we have no other choice? To keep on using fuels, even in the medium term, that we know are having devastating affects on our climate surely isn't a realistic option.
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Post by DarknessFish on Sept 21, 2023 12:35:12 GMT
The economic impact is not widely agreed to be massively harmful, either.
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Post by tory on Sept 21, 2023 14:33:52 GMT
The economic impact is not widely agreed to be massively harmful, either. China and India are using fossil fuels and their economies are growing at between 6 and 8%. Are you going to stop the progress of these countries in lifting their populations out of poverty?
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Sept 21, 2023 15:23:51 GMT
The economic impact is not widely agreed to be massively harmful, either. China and India are using fossil fuels and their economies are growing at between 6 and 8%. Are you going to stop the progress of these countries in lifting their populations out of poverty? You seem to be avoiding the point.
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Sept 21, 2023 15:34:06 GMT
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Post by fonz on Sept 21, 2023 15:34:06 GMT
Can someone please tell me how it is achievable with the current technology that we have, rather than what we might have in the future? My problem with Net Zero is that it seems to be an objective with massively harmful consequences in achieving (i.e the economic damage caused by our switch away from fossil fuels) rather than say, "the race to the moon", which was completed without little or no consequence in getting to the goal itself. Furthermore, it is utterly reliant on the idea of "technological progress inevitably improving, which as a concept I find troubling. Batteries will get smaller, Technology will improve etc. It is not certain that these things will happen. Moore's Law about Computing, I believe, has now come to an end for example as engineering has pretty much accepted that the limits of silicon based computing have been reached. Getting to the moon was more about saying ‘Fuck you’ to the reds, and developing the rocket tech to blow up Russia with nukes, than say, building Moonbase Alpha
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Sept 21, 2023 15:36:28 GMT
The phrase about 'rearranging the deck chairs on The Titanic while its sinking" comes to mind when reading this thread.
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Post by DarknessFish on Sept 21, 2023 16:11:45 GMT
The economic impact is not widely agreed to be massively harmful, either. China and India are using fossil fuels and their economies are growing at between 6 and 8%. Are you going to stop the progress of these countries in lifting their populations out of poverty? Yeah, you're right. Best sticking to expensive, damaging, resource-intensive industries. That will secure their long-term economic prosperity, and a bountiful future. Anything else would be madness.
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