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Sept 23, 2023 12:58:18 GMT
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Post by tory on Sept 23, 2023 12:58:18 GMT
And how do you propose to, realistically, amend our current standard of living, which is built on exploiting the environment?
Are people going to accept a huge drop in living standards? No, they are not, unless it is done through tyranny, which is certainly a possibility.
In the long term, a huge climate event that causes widespread destruction may be a rational thing to accept if it curtails, say, 40% of the world's population. However, it would be an appalling tragedy. When people say "there are too many people in the world" - this is an appalling mindset in my view because it essentially wishes the destruction of others and rationalises it as acceptable. Just as when people say "I couldn't imagine bringing children into this world" - what an outrageously awful thing to say, particularly to children themselves.
Humans, well cultural Christians, have an apocalyptic mindset. And personally, I feel that trying to "offset" it only makes things worse. We can make little changes here and there, but relying on technological breakthroughs alone seems to me a little like when Hitler told everyone of his wunderweapons that were going to defeat the Allies at the end of the War.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Sept 23, 2023 13:03:40 GMT
And how do you propose to, realistically, amend our current standard of living, which is built on exploiting the environment? Are people going to accept a huge drop in living standards? No, they are not, unless it is done through tyranny, which is certainly a possibility. In the long term, a huge climate event that causes widespread destruction may be a rational thing to accept if it curtails, say, 40% of the world's population. However, it would be an appalling tragedy. When people say "there are too many people in the world" - this is an appalling mindset in my view because it essentially wishes the destruction of others and rationalises it as acceptable. Just as when people say "I couldn't imagine bringing children into this world" - what an outrageously awful thing to say, particularly to children themselves. Humans, well cultural Christians, have an apocalyptic mindset. And personally, I feel that trying to "offset" it only makes things worse. We can make little changes here and there, but relying on technological breakthroughs alone seems to me a little like when Hitler told everyone of his wunderweapons that were going to defeat the Allies at the end of the War. Buried within the irrelevant waffle about "apocalyptic Christians" and so on, I see you do, in fact, accept there's direct link between our actions and climate change.
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Sept 23, 2023 14:15:19 GMT
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Post by tory on Sept 23, 2023 14:15:19 GMT
We have had an impact on the climate, yes. At what level - who knows. There have always been major climate events going back to the flood, so it is difficult to say how much. Whether it is possible to return to some edenic situation by effectively deindustrialising our society and economy, no that is probably going to bring about the end of our civilisation.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Sept 23, 2023 15:33:42 GMT
We have had an impact on the climate, yes. At what level - who knows. The scientists -they've done rather a lot of research on the matter. I know it's boring for you to have to agree with the mainstream consensus when there's some dilettante opinion out there quoting some arcane philosopher that you can be reading instead, but on this matter it's actually pretty important that we all come together and wake up to what's happening.
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Sept 23, 2023 15:56:56 GMT
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Post by tory on Sept 23, 2023 15:56:56 GMT
It's stuffed down our throat. I want you, however, to address how we are going to successfully deindustrialise our economy if we are going to reduce emissions.
Wind energy, for example, relies on electricity- it needs to be powered, it cannot do so alone. Germany had to turn to coal powered electricity last winter because of the geopolitical situation in the Ukraine.
The idea that the world will pull together to address this issue is extremely problematic because virtually all countries have other concerns to deal with.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Sept 23, 2023 16:13:12 GMT
It's stuffed down our throat. I want you, however, to address how we are going to successfully deindustrialise our economy if we are going to reduce emissions. Well you're going to have a long wait because I'm not a scientist or economist. There are, however, green solutions out there and alternative models out there. I rather suspect it will need radical alterations to the way we live and no I would agree we are not ready for that yet. We will need to move away from our current model of being a society of consumption and towards self-sufficiency. I think things will have to get a lot worse and then we'll see these models being practiced and taken seriously by a whole new generation. Wind energy, for example, relies on electricity- it needs to be powered, it cannot do so alone. Germany had to turn to coal powered electricity last winter because of the geopolitical situation in the Ukraine. I can however help you with this. I believe we should use Genetic Modification to create a super hamster, about the size of Big Ben should do it, and place it inside a great huge fucking wheel. If the hamster gets a bit lazy, we can substitute it with one of those xl American Bully dogs instead.
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Sept 23, 2023 16:47:29 GMT
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Post by tory on Sept 23, 2023 16:47:29 GMT
When you can come up with an alternative to millions of Brits wanting to fly to the Med for their fortnight of sun then I'm all ears.
The only way you'll force the sort of behavioural change is through tyranny or economic collapse.
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Sept 23, 2023 17:11:17 GMT
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Sept 23, 2023 17:11:17 GMT
Given G is a socialist tyranny and economic collapse aren’t exactly negatives 😂
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