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Nov 5, 2023 12:39:45 GMT
Post by Stacy Heydon on Nov 5, 2023 12:39:45 GMT
it's just really bland. The vocal melody isn't there. It just sounds a lot like a lot of other modern shit. Probably not the “discussion ” you were looking for, but what else can one say..
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Nov 5, 2023 13:06:34 GMT
Post by oh oooh on Nov 5, 2023 13:06:34 GMT
it's just really bland. The vocal melody isn't there. It just sounds a lot like a lot of other modern shit. Probably not the “discussion ” you were looking for, but what else can one say.. Yeah, I know. I agree. I'm just looking for something...OK - one last try. I've looked at several sites and collated the best of the best of the best of Taylor Swift's songs. I mean, there's a consensus. These are the four that were regularly singled out. Best (supposedly) first.
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Nov 5, 2023 14:53:09 GMT
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Post by adamcoan on Nov 5, 2023 14:53:09 GMT
Good work Johnny. They are all awful.
I will stick with Lana del Ray. She deserves it , way more than an Absolute FM playlist from hell. Maybe I am getting old, them tracks are the reason you would turn the radio off, or cause you to walk out of poundland and buy your bleach somewhere else.
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Nov 5, 2023 15:20:08 GMT
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Post by fange on Nov 5, 2023 15:20:08 GMT
Tay Tay's target market, we are not.
I find 'Anti-Hero' quite annoying now, because it is so prevalent everywhere and her more wordy lyrical style now which tends to grate on me. It's mostly just knowing, self-referencing "wisdom", her last album.
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Nov 5, 2023 15:23:28 GMT
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Post by oh oooh on Nov 5, 2023 15:23:28 GMT
'All Too Well' is actually a fine song. Kind of 'obvious' (again) but it's clear where the appeal is.
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Nov 5, 2023 15:24:12 GMT
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Post by oh oooh on Nov 5, 2023 15:24:12 GMT
She's better than Lana
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Nov 5, 2023 15:26:00 GMT
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Post by fearlessfreap on Nov 5, 2023 15:26:00 GMT
From what I see, her target market includes teenage girls, soccer moms and 40-50 year old men without wives or girlfriends.
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Post by loveless on Nov 5, 2023 16:54:47 GMT
Honest to goodness, I can absolutely say at this point that I've tried in reasonably (*self-accredited) good faith. By the very end, I think some confirmation bias MIGHT have kicked in.
I see what John's getting at here - if you're gonna be as profoundly out of step with the actual, statistically verified masses as I, for one, seem to be here (for all my self-ascribed poptimism down the years), the urge to thoroughly inspect the other side of the rock is 100% natural (once it reaches this type of critical mass).
I have friends (approximately my age) with Swiftie children who seem fully on board, so I don't even want to use the dubious shield of my own grey bearded demographic identity as a sort of "Well, NATURALLY...". There's certainly loads of Dad rock I ALSO can't find my way into with a pickaxe and a blowtorch.
Which, for me, that seems to be the salient issue. For me, there's absolutely no way in. Someone could easily sell out 20 consecutive shows in the biggest stadium man can safely build/inhabit (and at a pretty fucking penny per ticket), and I'm standing here trying (and resolutely failing) to squint and strain to identify just a sliver of what 50,000,000 Taylor Fans are Not Wrong about.
At this point, it would be easy for me to start digging in on what I DON'T like about it, but...for what?
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Nov 5, 2023 17:26:38 GMT
Post by adamcoan on Nov 5, 2023 17:26:38 GMT
Outrageous comment !! I openly admit that Lana does it for me. All those funny 'wrong' notes and that touch of sleaze. She is best late at night.
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Nov 5, 2023 17:51:38 GMT
Post by Stacy Heydon on Nov 5, 2023 17:51:38 GMT
The masses sometimes buy crap in huge numbers - look at Ed Sheeran. Maybe there's a need to project more on TS because she's a confident, attractive young women who superficially seems to conform to 21st century ideas of 'serious artist'.....which brings us back to Auclier's original point.
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Nov 5, 2023 17:58:23 GMT
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Post by fearlessfreap on Nov 5, 2023 17:58:23 GMT
You don’t get the media’s obsession with Sheeran or Drake or even Beyoncé that you get with Swift, though.
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Post by adamcoan on Nov 5, 2023 18:17:35 GMT
She's kinda like, I can't believe it's not butter schtick. That is , until you taste it and it's spreadable plastic v an essential product.
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Post by loveless on Nov 5, 2023 19:09:35 GMT
You don’t get the media’s obsession with Sheeran or Drake or even Beyoncé that you get with Swift, though. For sure, and...again, the sheer scale of consumer based popularity just doesn't seem anywhere near as...infinite? These are all huge acts (and let it never be said that Sheeran's popularity doesn't exist in some baffling magnification of his actual musical value), but...I could have absolutely bought Beyonce tickets from the venue at face value this past summer. With Taylor Swift, it really did seem like those who got in were actual lottery winners. Same with album releases, etc. You don't often see the demand outstrip the supply to quite such an extent these days.
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Post by toomanyhatz on Nov 5, 2023 21:51:20 GMT
Part of the sale of Tay-Tay seems to be as much 'positive role model' as musical. And that's not such a terrible thing, really. Adolescent girls could do MUCH worse than someone telling them to vote, to engage with the world, to take control of their own destiny, etc. Given that, I have an easier time with 'not getting it' musically. That's not so uncommon for me.
As an aside, I can say having just been in Nashville, she wields enormous power there - and is almost universally hated by the establishment there. To which I again say 'good for her.'
There is also a very famous 'Country Music Royalty' mural that she's been airbrushed out of. Our tour driver told us that's because she left country music behind to be a pop star. But of course the same could be said about Dolly Parton, who's not been removed. There were those on the bus mumbling that perhaps it was her liberal politics and feminism that were the problem. Hmm...could be?
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Post by fange on Nov 6, 2023 0:26:23 GMT
As an aside, I can say having just been in Nashville, she wields enormous power there - and is almost universally hated by the establishment there. To which I again say 'good for her.' There is also a very famous 'Country Music Royalty' mural that she's been airbrushed out of. Our tour driver told us that's because she left country music behind to be a pop star. But of course the same could be said about Dolly Parton, who's not been removed. There were those on the bus mumbling that perhaps it was her liberal politics and feminism that were the problem. Hmm...could be? Her strenuous desire to NOT play by the music establishment's rules might have a lot to do with that in a place like Nashville; sometimes it's not the divorce itself but how messy it gets. "In 2019, the music label Big Machine Records, which Swift had been signed to from 2006 to 2018, was sold to music mogul/manager Scooter Braun – best known for discovering Justin Bieber.
Along with ownership of the company, Braun also gained rights to the master recordings of all the music Swift had created during her time with the label. This included her first six albums: Taylor Swift (2006), Fearless (2008), Speak Now (2010), Red (2012), 1989 (2014) and Reputation (2017).
This meant that anybody who wanted to licence any of Swift’s old songs for a movie or TV show would have to get Braun’s permission and pay him a fee.
“For years I asked, pleaded for a chance to own my work. Instead I was given an opportunity to sign back up to Big Machine Records and ‘earn’ one album back at a time, one for every new one I turned in. I walked away because I knew once I signed that contract, Scott Borchetta [CEO of Big Machine Records] would sell the label, thereby selling me and my future,” Swift wrote on her Tumblr account in June 2019.
“I had to make the excruciating choice to leave behind my past. Music I wrote on my bedroom floor and videos I dreamed up and paid for from the money I earned playing in bars, then clubs, then arenas, then stadiums.”
The “Cruel Summer” singer explained that she too had only learnt about Braun’s purchase of her masters when it was announced to the world. “All I could think about was the incessant, manipulative bullying I’ve received at his hands for years,” she said.
“Now Scooter has stripped me of my life’s work, that I wasn’t given an opportunity to buy. Essentially, my musical legacy is about to lie in the hands of someone who tried to dismantle it,” Swift said, calling it her “worst-case scenario”.
In August 2019, Swift revealed that she would be re-recording her first six studio albums in order to gain total control and ownership of her past work.
Aside from newly-added “From The Vault” tracks – unreleased songs that didn’t make it onto the original albums – the re-released records are nearly identical to the originals."This kind of stuff has happened to tens of thousands of bands and artists in the music business, for ever - who does Taylor Swift think she is to fight against it?!
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