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Post by fange on Mar 2, 2024 8:16:10 GMT
I love this album to bits. 'StH', 'BD' and 'RaR' were absolute cornerstones of Australian classic rock radio when i was growing up, and so it was all about Side 1 for the longest time. But as i've grown older i've found the heart of this record for me is on Side 2 - 'Four Sticks' is stunningly good for me, mean and dirty but with an exhilarating lift in that middle section. And 'WtLB' is one of my favourite songs of all time, that intro/first minute or two is one of the greatest things ever put on tape.
I had a cassette version from the age of about 12-13 that lasted until the mid-90s, when in the height of the CD era people were just throwing out their vinyl and I scored a very nice copy at my local Salvation Army store in Melbourne.
It is a perfect record for me - every song a winner, nothing i would change.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Mar 2, 2024 8:34:30 GMT
What's interesting to me is how much things like this are part of a shared culture amongst American posters, you get into it almost as a rite of passage, sometimes passed down by older brothers. Very often different posters experience the record at the same young age. This isn't exactly a revelation to me, I've certainly noticed this before, but the extent of it still surprises me. I'm even slightly envious that we didn't have that in the UK where things were more tribal and relations between the generations, even if they were only a few years apart, tended to be mildly antagonistic and competitive. Just playing devil's advocate here, JC, but maybe there was but for whatever musical/personal reasons that sort of "shared culture" didn't really connect with you. I've talked to quite a few Brits who are our age/bit younger/bit older, and they have often mentioned how their tastes were influenced by an older brother/mate's older brother who would pass on their love of Cream, PG-era Genesis, King Crimson, Roy Harper, Zep, etc. But just from what I kinda know of your musical tastes now, you've always been very selective, if not openly hostile, against a lot of that era's Classic Rock and Prog Rock mainstays. it's G not JC! I can't disagree with that last sentence, but you must remember I largely never came across it. Perhaps my experience is a bit more unusual as I grew up in the suburbs where families tended to be smaller. I actually knew very few people who even had older brothers! I'm not saying it never happened of course, but I think my point about each generation rejecting each other is broadly true. Of course this was also extenuated by punk, as JC noted, which created a wedge between eras that lasted a good ten years or more.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Mar 2, 2024 8:46:40 GMT
I don't think it's an oversimplification to say that in the UK, when it comes to music at least, you were defined as much by what you disliked as by what you liked. And it's not only that - I think us Brits tend to enjoy dismissing whole genres. For better or worse, it's in our make-up.
Whereas of course young Americans piled into souped-up Cadillacs and headed downtown, laughing and holding on to each other while singing along to Aerosmith and sharing a doobie (or whatever the hell they call it)
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Post by fange on Mar 2, 2024 8:52:15 GMT
Just playing devil's advocate here, JC, but maybe there was but for whatever musical/personal reasons that sort of "shared culture" didn't really connect with you. I've talked to quite a few Brits who are our age/bit younger/bit older, and they have often mentioned how their tastes were influenced by an older brother/mate's older brother who would pass on their love of Cream, PG-era Genesis, King Crimson, Roy Harper, Zep, etc. But just from what I kinda know of your musical tastes now, you've always been very selective, if not openly hostile, against a lot of that era's Classic Rock and Prog Rock mainstays. it's G not JC! I can't disagree with that last sentence, but you must remember I largely never came across it. Perhaps my experience is a bit more unusual as I grew up in the suburbs where families tended to be smaller. I actually knew very few people who even had older brothers! I'm not saying it never happened of course, but I think my point about each generation rejecting each other is broadly true. Of course this was also extenuated by punk, as JC noted, which created a wedge between eras that lasted a good ten years or more. Oof, sorry G! :lol: I guess the point still holds though, you and JC share this perspective i think.
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Post by adamcoan on Mar 2, 2024 9:17:29 GMT
it's G not JC! I can't disagree with that last sentence, but you must remember I largely never came across it. Perhaps my experience is a bit more unusual as I grew up in the suburbs where families tended to be smaller. I actually knew very few people who even had older brothers! I'm not saying it never happened of course, but I think my point about each generation rejecting each other is broadly true. Of course this was also extenuated by punk, as JC noted, which created a wedge between eras that lasted a good ten years or more. Oof, sorry G! :lol: I guess the point still holds though, you and JC share this perspective i think. I think G and JC are their towns Morrissey's. It was (even as a punk) impossible to not have been aware of the sounds of the day before you were punk and then (unless you are one of those punk never died morons ) aware and influenced by post punk acts who name checked,begged,borrowed and stole some of the , apparently alien and unheard previous generations bands. To announce that no one in school in the years above you, the old grey whistle test, evening radio shows ,etc, caused you to be dismissive ,unaware or ignorant of the times and sounds of the sixties and early seventies cannot honestly be true. Generations dismissing each other also isn't the case. During punk we had a teddy boys revival, mod revival and the post punk bands looked to the velvets and doors to kickstart their new vision. In reality, what actually happened and was the norm , you will find is the total opposite of G and JC's views.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Mar 2, 2024 9:21:26 GMT
NO no
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Post by adamcoan on Mar 2, 2024 9:37:50 GMT
State your case then bucko !
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Post by adamcoan on Mar 2, 2024 9:40:36 GMT
I didn't get it, or even hear it, until I was well into my twenties. This was probably down to the NME - Led Zep were hoary old cock-rockers, etc. But I don't mind that really. Marquee Moon, Trout Mask Replica, Forever Changes and The Clash came first. This lot seemed like a band that other people liked. I finally bought it on cassette in 1992 and played it a fair bit that summer, but it didn't really do much for me. Slowly - over years - I started to appreciate it, but (predictably) it was the rockers that hit me hardest. Now I'd have to agree that 'Battle of Evermore' is the best (pleasant surprise to see that winning). I do think it's a very strong album, but I've never slept with it like I have with lots of other records. The prosecution rests it's case,m'lud.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Mar 2, 2024 9:41:58 GMT
State your case then bucko ! I already have! you just choose to DISREGARDE it
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Post by adamcoan on Mar 2, 2024 9:50:53 GMT
While you chose to re-write HISTORIE !
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Mar 2, 2024 10:07:45 GMT
Oof, sorry G! :lol: I guess the point still holds though, you and JC share this perspective i think. I think G and JC are their towns Morrissey's. It was (even as a punk) impossible to not have been aware of the sounds of the day before you were punk and then (unless you are one of those punk never died morons ) aware and influenced by post punk acts who name checked,begged,borrowed and stole some of the , apparently alien and unheard previous generations bands. To announce that no one in school in the years above you, the old grey whistle test, evening radio shows ,etc, caused you to be dismissive ,unaware or ignorant of the times and sounds of the sixties and early seventies cannot honestly be true. Generations dismissing each other also isn't the case. During punk we had a teddy boys revival, mod revival and the post punk bands looked to the velvets and doors to kickstart their new vision. In reality, what actually happened and was the norm , you will find is the total opposite of G and JC's views. 'cannot honestly be true'..what, not even a little bit? Glad to see you apply your usual nuance and subtlety. i was comparing attitudes between posters of a similar age. You're a good five years older than me and from a different area of the country so your experience will be different. I think the point about the British music scene being particularly fast moving and having a tendency, almost in a Hegelian way, to react against or reject the music of just a few years before is a pretty observable phenomenon. Just look at the NME and the way they sent certain bands to Siberia. Just to be clear i never said no one ever listened to an older record ever, that would be a ridiculous assertion. I'm talking the tendency within British youth culture then to reject the tastes of a few years before. That's why your examples of the 50s revival or mod revival don't really counter my point because those things were already 15 years into the past, ancient enough to be revived as something fresh and new.
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Post by rayge on Mar 2, 2024 10:53:05 GMT
What's interesting to me is how much things like this are part of a shared culture amongst American posters, you get into it almost as a rite of passage, sometimes passed down by older brothers. Very often different posters experience the record at the same young age. This isn't exactly a revelation to me, I've certainly noticed this before, but the extent of it still surprises me. I'm even slightly envious that we didn't have that in the UK where things were more tribal and relations between the generations, even if they were only a few years apart, tended to be mildly antagonistic and competitive. While your general point about tribalism and generational rivalries may be true, as far as I can tell, none of the British posters here have an older brother and very few siblings in total at all, so perhaps not a representative sample at all.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Mar 2, 2024 10:56:15 GMT
it's G not JC! I can't disagree with that last sentence, but you must remember I largely never came across it. Perhaps my experience is a bit more unusual as I grew up in the suburbs where families tended to be smaller. I actually knew very few people who even had older brothers! I'm not saying it never happened of course, but I think my point about each generation rejecting each other is broadly true. Of course this was also extenuated by punk, as JC noted, which created a wedge between eras that lasted a good ten years or more. Oof, sorry G! :lol: I guess the point still holds though, you and JC share this perspective i think. It's pretty commonplace to be honest Ange, certainly not restricted to me and JC. You only need look at bcb ..the guys into prog and 70s heavy rock are all born between about 57-62/63! They came of age in their music tastes in the early to mid 70s. The people born after are largely not that interested.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Mar 2, 2024 11:03:05 GMT
What's interesting to me is how much things like this are part of a shared culture amongst American posters, you get into it almost as a rite of passage, sometimes passed down by older brothers. Very often different posters experience the record at the same young age. This isn't exactly a revelation to me, I've certainly noticed this before, but the extent of it still surprises me. I'm even slightly envious that we didn't have that in the UK where things were more tribal and relations between the generations, even if they were only a few years apart, tended to be mildly antagonistic and competitive. While your general point about tribalism and generational rivalries may be true, as far as I can tell, none of the British posters here have an older brother and very few siblings in total at all, so perhaps not a representative sample at all. Indeed. I did acknowledge in an earlier post the lack of older brothers being around was an odd demographic quirk of where i grew up. It had never occurred to me before today actually!
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Post by rayge on Mar 2, 2024 11:04:07 GMT
Oof, sorry G! :lol: I guess the point still holds though, you and JC share this perspective i think. It's pretty commonplace to be honest Ange, certainly not restricted to me and JC. You only need look at bcb ..the guys into prog and 70s heavy rock are all born between about 57-62/63! They came of age in their music tastes in the early to mid 70s. The people born after are largely not that interested. Not to mention those born long before .
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