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Post by Reasonable good Nick on Jul 23, 2019 19:00:49 GMT
Talking of Scruton, it's just been announced that he's got back his job as Co-Chair of the Building Better, Building Beautiful Commission. Good. Yeah, I'm sure a Philosophy professor is just the guy to find practical solutions to Britain's housing crisis. "Before we go any further, let us ask ourselves, what is a house?"
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jul 24, 2019 8:17:56 GMT
I see, they are inolerant bullies because you and he say so. Well, I say he’s a big, self-important bag of gas who needs another big, self-important bag of gas to agree with him. Different strokes... And you think they are good guys for standing up to that pompous windbag of a teacher. I think they need to get a life. Is Bach not better than Lady Gaga? Are the Beatles not better than One Direction? Even if you disagree with such objective statements is it not an interesting idea to explore? Is that not what the classroom is for? It sounds like some didn’t even want to hear such an argument being made and I think that’s dangerous thing. But, yeah, different strokes I guess.
as for Sir Roger and Ayn Rand - poke around on the internet a bit and you are sure to find some of the many appreciations he's written of her or invoking her over the years.
I did a google search and got this:
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The second search result is this article:
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Hardly a ringing endorsement of objectivism. Skimming through the other results I can’t see anything that suggest he is an objectivist either. The reason why I expressed scepticism before is that after reading his appreciation of Wagner and the Ring Cycle in particular it’s obvious that what he thinks the drama is partly about (the importance of love and sacrifice etc) and how these things give life "meaning" in a Godless world seems completely antithetical with my understanding of objectivism and its glorification of “selfishness”.
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Post by Sneelock on Jul 24, 2019 9:46:50 GMT
Hardly a ringing endorsement? Uh. Ok. i think he sounds like he wants to bang her. So, we end up right where we started. One of us sees a cup and the other sees two profiles.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 10:10:17 GMT
The article is so full of waffle it's hard to care what it's saying, however it does appear to be praising Rand's philosophy.
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Post by oh oooh on Jul 24, 2019 10:20:54 GMT
Isn't Rand largely seen as a crank these days? Another blabbermouth with no clear message, bit like L Ron Hubbard for people with more that two braincells?
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Post by Sneelock on Jul 24, 2019 10:28:55 GMT
I’ll bet 5 of our 9 Supreme Court justices have a copy of Atlas Shtugged on a bookshelf not far from their bible.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jul 24, 2019 10:30:55 GMT
I don't get that from it G and nor do I think he's a "Randite cunt".
Anyway, I'm not wasting any more time on this "Scruton wants to bang Rand" nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 10:34:44 GMT
It's explaining why her philosophy is refreshing isn't it? I would think he's too much of a snob to proclaim himself a follower as such, but I don't see any critical content there. Mind you I did only skim read it because it was very boring!
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Post by tory on Jul 24, 2019 10:43:04 GMT
It's hardly full of waffle.
Scruton's position on the more mendacious aspects of free market conservatism is well known and as such he stands apart from it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 10:49:37 GMT
It's hardly full of waffle. Scruton's position on the more mendacious aspects of free market conservatism is well known and as such he stands apart from it. He might do, but that wasn't clear from the article linked to.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jul 24, 2019 11:11:50 GMT
Well this thread is turning out as I'd planned
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Post by tory on Jul 24, 2019 14:27:32 GMT
The notion that you cannot be objective about art is ridiculous. Why do thousands, if not millions of people, descend to Florence and Rome to gawp at the treasures there? Sure, some might do it out of a cultural bucket list trip, but the fact remains that they represent in a way a summit of sorts of cultural achievement. Are Michaelangelo's efforts greater than that of Tracey Emin or Damian Hirst? Yes of course they are. It is just that conceptual art has become fashionable whereas more traditional forms have become "old hat" for some reason. High culture has become seen as "elitist" whereas in reality it is just better, but no-one wants to admit it.
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Post by Reasonable good Nick on Jul 24, 2019 14:30:12 GMT
Talking of Scruton, it's just been announced that he's got back his job as Co-Chair of the Building Better, Building Beautiful Commission. Good. Yeah, I'm sure a Philosophy professor is just the guy to find practical solutions to Britain's housing crisis. There is also the fact that he's written for decades on ideas and concepts of beauty and aesthetics.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 14:55:55 GMT
The notion that you cannot be objective about art is ridiculous. Why do thousands, if not millions of people, descend to Florence and Rome to gawp at the treasures there? Sure, some might do it out of a cultural bucket list trip, but the fact remains that they represent in a way a summit of sorts of cultural achievement. Are Michaelangelo's efforts greater than that of Tracey Emin or Damian Hirst? Yes of course they are. It is just that conceptual art has become fashionable whereas more traditional forms have become "old hat" for some reason. High culture has become seen as "elitist" whereas in reality it is just better, but no-one wants to admit it. Incredibly simplistic. Art can only be judged within its own context and time. It is as pointless to compare Michaelangelo and Tracey Emin as it is to compare Stanley Matthews and Lionel Messi. High Culture is essentially dead as a cultural descriptor and has been for nearly 100 years, ever since art could be produced in an industrial process and disseminated to the masses
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Post by Sneelock on Jul 24, 2019 16:01:41 GMT
you either think that teacher is a crybaby or you don't. Is questioning his characterization of Gaga "persecuting him?" come on. you guys buy it - I don't. on this forum anybody who speaks up on ONE side of the thing is always presumed to be smug and strident and acting in bad faith just as a matter of general principle. sometimes I wish Copehead was around to breath a little fire just because it gets some folks out of their comfort zone a little bit.
they are dumbheaded students that think he's picking on Gaga. teacher thinks this qualifies as persecution. "great thinker" thinks this qualifies as some kind of madness. I'm not into fire-breathing. you are certainly entitled to your opinion that there is a mob mentality at work and that the academics conclusions are correct.
I feel entitled to my opinion which is to make a rude gesture in the air with my forearm.
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