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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jul 17, 2019 22:00:43 GMT
Reminded me of a comment G made the other day. I see this in people too these days. To offer a critical opinion is somehow being intolerant of others who differ in their opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 10:50:27 GMT
I'm not sure I agree with Scruton there, I don't think you can create an objective criteria for art and music. I don't have time to expand on that now, but I will return to it later...there's potentially a very interesting discussion there.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jul 18, 2019 11:03:05 GMT
I'm not sure I agree with Scruton there, I don't think you can create an objective criteria for art and music. I don't have time to expand on that now, but I will return to it later...there's potentially a very interesting discussion there. It's something that really interests me. Not all art is equal. Some is greater than others. |
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Post by rayge on Jul 18, 2019 11:38:33 GMT
I'm not sure I agree with Scruton there, I don't think you can create an objective criteria for art and music. I don't have time to expand on that now, but I will return to it later...there's potentially a very interesting discussion there. When you do return, please remember that criteria is the plural form of criterion 
There's no such thing as objectivity of course, except as a pose.
Scruton's a Randite cunt
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 11:41:45 GMT
I'm not sure I agree with Scruton there, I don't think you can create an objective criteria for art and music. I don't have time to expand on that now, but I will return to it later...there's potentially a very interesting discussion there. It's something that really interests me. Not all art is equal. Some is greater than others. That is true, but then you have to decide what makes it greater. Scruton makes the mistake of reductionism, using 'melodic' as the criteria why "Heartbreak Hotel" may be greater than "Poker Face", but using that criteria then we'd have to conclude that "The Frog's Chorus" is better than "Sex Machine" because it's more melodic, and of course that would be nonsense. |
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jul 18, 2019 12:14:01 GMT
It's something that really interests me. Not all art is equal. Some is greater than others. That is true, but then you have to decide what makes it greater. Scruton makes the mistake of reductionism, using 'melodic' as the criteria why "Heartbreak Hotel" may be greater than "Poker Face", but using that criteria then we'd have to conclude that "The Frog's Chorus" is better than "Sex Machine" because it's more melodic, and of course that would be nonsense. True. I suspect he's thinking in terms of pop music therefore melody. He has a bugbear about pop music lol |
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Post by Reasonable good Nick on Jul 23, 2019 8:46:45 GMT
I'm not sure I agree with Scruton there, I don't think you can create an objective criteria for art and music. I don't have time to expand on that now, but I will return to it later...there's potentially a very interesting discussion there.
Scruton's a Randite cunt
I don't think he's much of a Randite. I'd say he's a traditional High Tory conservative and aesthete, in favour of the small state and strong self-starting community bonds. |
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Post by Reasonable good Nick on Jul 23, 2019 8:48:04 GMT
I also don't think he's a cunt, but you know, hey-ho.
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Post by Reasonable good Nick on Jul 23, 2019 10:15:28 GMT
Talking of Scruton, it's just been announced that he's got back his job as Co-Chair of the Building Better, Building Beautiful Commission.
Good.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jul 23, 2019 11:56:30 GMT
I don't think he's much of a Randite. I'd say he's a traditional High Tory conservative and aesthete, in favour of the small state and strong self-starting community bonds.
I only know him through his opinions on Wagner but given what he’s said about the Ring Cycle – in particular in relation to the dramas sacred moments of sacrifice and love - I'd struggle to believe he was into objectivism.
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Post by Sneelock on Jul 23, 2019 16:49:21 GMT
well, I think both guys have their heads up their asses and I don't even care for Lady Gaga.
the questioner feels persecuted as a bigot for preferring Bach to Lady Gaga. he seems to think his "objective truth" should just be accepted without comment. Sir Roger barges from "preference" to addiction & enslavement!!! clearly anyone who does not share their superior positions is some sort of intellectual cockroach. what a crock of shit.
as for Sir Roger and Ayn Rand - poke around on the internet a bit and you are sure to find some of the many appreciations he's written of her or invoking her over the years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 17:33:36 GMT
Talking of Scruton, it's just been announced that he's got back his job as Co-Chair of the Building Better, Building Beautiful Commission. Good. Yeah, I'm sure a Philosophy professor is just the guy to find practical solutions to Britain's housing crisis. |
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Post by Sneelock on Jul 23, 2019 17:38:20 GMT
Just don’t call him “Randian” that makes him sound mean instead of practical & smart!
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jul 23, 2019 18:23:39 GMT
well, I think both guys have their heads up their asses and I don't even care for Lady Gaga. the questioner feels persecuted as a bigot for preferring Bach to Lady Gaga. he seems to think his "objective truth" should just be accepted without comment. Sir Roger barges from "preference" to addiction & enslavement!!! clearly anyone who does not share their superior positions is some sort of intellectual cockroach. what a crock of shit. as for Sir Roger and Ayn Rand - poke around on the internet a bit and you are sure to find some of the many appreciations he's written of her or invoking her over the years. The point isn’t that his objective “truth” should be accepted, it’s the hostility and reaction of some who believe that expressing such an opinion is bigoted and should not be expressed at all. That’s the point. |
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Post by Sneelock on Jul 23, 2019 18:33:02 GMT
I see, they are inolerant bullies because you and he say so.
Well, I say he’s a big, self-important bag of gas who needs another big, self-important bag of gas to agree with him.
Different strokes...
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