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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 14:42:30 GMT
Not an ideas man, are you Jimmy? I know you have a point. But la la land is a movie. I saw something once on Norwegian jail's. That seemed a good way forward. Heavily based on keeping inmates responsible for themselves and in a better environment. I think reich fuhrer Widdecombe was on it. Cannot remember what it was called. I imagine it got gammons raging.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 14:53:17 GMT
Not an ideas man, are you Jimmy? I know you have a point. But la la land is a movie. I saw something once on Norwegian jail's. That seemed a good way forward. Heavily based on keeping inmates responsible for themselves and in a better environment. I think reich fuhrer Widdecombe was on it. Cannot remember what it was called. I imagine it got gammons raging. The Norwegians are much better than us at dealing with rehabilitation and addictive behaviour.
They all go to the Betty Fjord clinic.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 14:56:23 GMT
YES G!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!
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Post by wobblie on Feb 2, 2021 15:08:46 GMT
I know you have a point. But la la land is a movie. I saw something once on Norwegian jail's. That seemed a good way forward. Heavily based on keeping inmates responsible for themselves and in a better environment. I think reich fuhrer Widdecombe was on it. Cannot remember what it was called. I imagine it got gammons raging. The Norwegians are much better than us at dealing with rehabilitation and addictive behaviour.
They all go to the Betty Fjord clinic.
Thanks for acknowledging that I have a point. Obviously I realize these are complex issues and I haven't made a very nuanced argument, and to be honest, I'm not interested in arguing. At all. I'll just say this. I have a cousin in prison for life. She brutally murdered two people. She should be in prison for her crime. Her mother, my aunt was schizophrenic and found murdered on the side of the interstate when we were both small children. She was sexually abused by her father. Eventually another aunt adopted her and gave her a very good life. She was given a chance, so to speak. I feel that the tragedies we encounter as children will always haunt us. Some have the ability to overcome, other simply do not. I am glad my cousin doesn't have children. I think of all the families broken up and often destroyed by the prison system in this country. It is important to remember that the inmate is not the only one serving time.
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Post by tory on Feb 2, 2021 15:17:59 GMT
It is a very difficult and complex problem. The UK system has created a situation where many people have been sucked into a life of living in and out of prison because of drugs. The reality for them is that it is "easier" in many ways for them to be in prison because they have things like A) stability B) a roof over their heads and C) are "looked after" in a sense. Better to be there than on the streets for example. Many prisoners become addicted in prison, so that they then embark on such a life even if they had not intended to. Often, young men are radicalised in prison, particularly to the Islamic faith.
Whilst there is something of "The Daily Mail" in stories such as prisoners having TVs, Xboxes and similar comforts etc, there's a truth in it as well. On the other hand, things like a criminal record can destroy any chance you have of a career in this country - is that right? People go to prison and "serve their time" but we all know that society isn't often so forgiving.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 15:20:11 GMT
I think it's an issue that needs to be tackled by a few angles than just one big important angle. Countries that make profit out of it need to tackle that shit anyway.
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Post by wobblie on Feb 2, 2021 16:11:53 GMT
If it wasn't clear already: I see the prison system in the US as being extremely effective at further disenfranchising the already forgotten, wasting tax payer dollars while enriching modern day slavemasters, destroying families and often whole communities.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 16:14:34 GMT
If it wasn't clear already: I see the prison system in the US as being extremely effective at further disenfranchising the already forgotten, wasting tax payer dollars while enriching modern day slavemasters, destroying families and often whole communities. The system is one thing . Are you opposed to prisons as a punishment. How do you see the system moving on?
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Post by wobblie on Feb 2, 2021 16:29:27 GMT
If it wasn't clear already: I see the prison system in the US as being extremely effective at further disenfranchising the already forgotten, wasting tax payer dollars while enriching modern day slavemasters, destroying families and often whole communities. The system is one thing . Are you opposed to prisons as a punishment. How do you see the system moving on? Clearly we can't just up and abolish prisons. There are some really fucked up people in there. Case in point: my cousin. Biden's move to end contracts with private prison companies at the Federal level is a damn good start. More and more people are waking up to the grift that is the for profit prison industry. Many of the folks in my community had never heard of such a thing till the Governor announced back in the fall that she was plopping a prison down in their backyard. No questions asked. These are Baptist Republicans for the most part. They are shocked and angered. The more awareness there is, the better chances of improvement.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 16:34:44 GMT
Yeah, I still haven't got the gist of your thoughts. Private prisons bad , my back yard, bad , society more equal. Where do you stand on prisons as a concept. The gang mentality in US prisons seems , seems to be there whoever runs them. So what is your idea to change the whole thing. What is the alternative?
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Post by wobblie on Feb 2, 2021 16:48:55 GMT
In theory I reject the concept of prisons, in reality I acknowledge that they are currently needed. Does that clear things up?
I'm not sure what exactly it is you are asking of me. If you're wanting me to write a manifesto on my idea of a proper, just society it might take a while.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 17:02:38 GMT
In theory I reject the concept of prisons, in reality I acknowledge that they are currently needed. Does that clear things up? I'm not sure what exactly it is you are asking of me. If you're wanting me to write a manifesto on my idea of a proper, just society it might take a while. No the aspect of society is one thing. I don't oppose prison as a concept.I oppose the death penalty. I think we need to find a way to stop what you and Toby have said , gangs, drugs , radicals and the apparent ending of options on time served prisoners.
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Post by tory on Feb 2, 2021 17:08:20 GMT
In theory I reject the concept of prisons, in reality I acknowledge that they are currently needed. Does that clear things up? I'm not sure what exactly it is you are asking of me. If you're wanting me to write a manifesto on my idea of a proper, just society it might take a while. They will always be needed. Do you perceive a time when crime won't exist?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 18:09:02 GMT
What do you guys make of the "broken windows" theory. I mean it worked for for NY, but it also bumped up the profits for prison owners.
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Post by wobblie on Feb 2, 2021 19:43:19 GMT
In theory I reject the concept of prisons, in reality I acknowledge that they are currently needed. Does that clear things up? I'm not sure what exactly it is you are asking of me. If you're wanting me to write a manifesto on my idea of a proper, just society it might take a while. Do you perceive a time when crime won't exist? Not in my lifetime.
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