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Jul 12, 2020 19:46:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 19:46:37 GMT
First i heard of it. Was gonna make a tupac joke but thought better of it.
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Jul 12, 2020 19:52:04 GMT
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Post by daveythefatboy on Jul 12, 2020 19:52:04 GMT
It's an old buzz word used against Black folks when they can string a few sentences together. It's been used a LOT with Black athletes, especially. So away with all words that are in principle positive as some bastard may be routinely and sarcastically using them to belittle POC’s? The problem isn’t the word. It is the context. I was reading an article about this written by a Black woman and she was describing a panel on MSNBC where they were talking about Corey Booker running for President. She related the following: medium.com/@marleyk/please-stop-judging-black-men-by-how-articulate-they-speak-in-white-spaces-8872b0f85398***As I watched the mostly White, predominantly female panel break down the pros and cons of Booker, I was holding my breath believing surely none of the White liberal panelists would make the same mistake Joe Biden made when describing the then-Senator Barack Obama’s finest qualities. You know, that age-old mistake of judging the quality of Black folk by how well they speak in front of mixed company (meaning White folks). And just like clockwork, the very first White panelist used her time in front of the camera to describe Senator Booker as “articulate.” It was the very first word that came out of her mouth. My partner and I just shook our heads and looked at each other crazy.*** Essentially the problem here is the predictability, which leads to a sense that some subtext is at play. There would presumably be nothing wrong with mentioning Booker’s way with words if one were in the middle of a discussion about his attributes, and the quality of his expression was specifically relevant to what had come before. But when you lead with it - it really does seem to be a stand-in for some kind of acceptability metric. I mean, Corey Booker really actually IS pretty darn articulate. But would that be the first thing one would say about a white politician with similar rhetorical abilities?
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Jul 12, 2020 19:54:01 GMT
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Post by daveythefatboy on Jul 12, 2020 19:54:01 GMT
Where does that question come from? Don't you worry about it David. I can’t help it. I just hate the thought of these things torturing you so.
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Jul 12, 2020 19:58:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 19:58:37 GMT
I'll live.
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Jul 12, 2020 20:06:23 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 20:06:23 GMT
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Post by sloopjohnc on Jul 12, 2020 22:12:53 GMT
It's an old buzz word used against Black folks when they can string a few sentences together. It's been used a LOT with Black athletes, especially. So away with all words that are in principle positive as some bastard may be routinely and sarcastically using them to belittle POC’s? I'm not saying one way or the other. I'm just saying that the term is used to patronize Black folk when White people think they talk like them.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Jul 12, 2020 22:15:53 GMT
So away with all words that are in principle positive as some bastard may be routinely and sarcastically using them to belittle POC’s? The problem isn’t the word. It is the context. I was reading an article about this written by a Black woman and she was describing a panel on MSNBC where they were talking about Corey Booker running for President. She related the following: medium.com/@marleyk/please-stop-judging-black-men-by-how-articulate-they-speak-in-white-spaces-8872b0f85398***As I watched the mostly White, predominantly female panel break down the pros and cons of Booker, I was holding my breath believing surely none of the White liberal panelists would make the same mistake Joe Biden made when describing the then-Senator Barack Obama’s finest qualities. You know, that age-old mistake of judging the quality of Black folk by how well they speak in front of mixed company (meaning White folks). And just like clockwork, the very first White panelist used her time in front of the camera to describe Senator Booker as “articulate.” It was the very first word that came out of her mouth. My partner and I just shook our heads and looked at each other crazy.*** Essentially the problem here is the predictability, which leads to a sense that some subtext is at play. There would presumably be nothing wrong with mentioning Booker’s way with words if one were in the middle of a discussion about his attributes, and the quality of his expression was specifically relevant to what had come before. But when you lead with it - it really does seem to be a stand-in for some kind of acceptability metric. I mean, Corey Booker really actually IS pretty darn articulate. But would that be the first thing one would say about a white politician with similar rhetorical abilities? Well, I would hope he's articulate. He's a US senator who was educated at Stanford and Yale Law School. Articulate is the bare minimum we should ask for from a US Senator. It's not like he had to remember five words and name animals by looking at pictures of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 22:48:37 GMT
So away with all words that are in principle positive as some bastard may be routinely and sarcastically using them to belittle POC’s? I'm not saying one way or the other. I'm just saying that the term is used to patronize Black folk when White people think they talk like them. I can see that, but that doesn't make the word intrinsically racist. Any adjective could potentially be offensive if used carelessly or to patronise or stereotype or whatever. Just to remind, the word was included in a list of words that were deemed to be racist. That's inaccurate and we shouldn't bow down to that kind of broad brush thinking.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Jul 13, 2020 0:01:35 GMT
I'm not saying one way or the other. I'm just saying that the term is used to patronize Black folk when White people think they talk like them. I can see that, but that doesn't make the word intrinsically racist. Any adjective could potentially be offensive if used carelessly or to patronise or stereotype or whatever. Just to remind, the word was included in a list of words that were deemed to be racist. That's inaccurate and we shouldn't bow down to that kind of broad brush thinking. That was very articulate of you.
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Jul 13, 2020 10:24:00 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 10:24:00 GMT
No takers on the word 'posse'?
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Jul 13, 2020 16:47:54 GMT
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Post by daveythefatboy on Jul 13, 2020 16:47:54 GMT
No takers on the word 'posse'? Where does that question come from?
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I've met him/her. He/she's great!!
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Post by toomanyhatz on Jul 13, 2020 17:25:26 GMT
Not sure I get the point of arbitrating words on an individual basis. It all depends on context - who's using it and why.
That's why Davey's question is necessary in order to be able to give an answer. Without context the answer is always going to be "it depends."
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Post by Sneelock on Jul 13, 2020 18:40:11 GMT
we can't have a discussion about race until we clean out the garage, run a triathlon and balance the budget. then and only then will it be time to discuss these matters (provided the planets are lined up properly)
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Jul 13, 2020 21:31:30 GMT
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Post by cousinlou on Jul 13, 2020 21:31:30 GMT
Not sure I get the point of arbitrating words on an individual basis. It all depends on context - who's using it and why. That's why Davey's question is necessary in order to be able to give an answer. Without context the answer is always going to be "it depends." Exactly. And, without context it’s completely useless to compile lists of forbidden words. Like someone else said before, any positive can be turned into a negative when usedwith just the right amount of ‘ je ne sais quoi’
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Jul 13, 2020 22:38:23 GMT
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Post by daveythefatboy on Jul 13, 2020 22:38:23 GMT
Who wants a list of forbidden words? Is someone arguing for one?
What’s important here is learning to hear what one says through another perspective. More important, being open to that perspective, valuing it, and willing to learn from it.
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