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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 21:08:02 GMT
It's nothing to do with a homage to soul music and I don't remember anyone thinking of it in that way. Dexys mark one took a few very broad traits of 60s soul - punchy horn arrangements, an emphasis on a raw passion and married it to Rowlands own autobiographical concerns and an aggression/confrontationalism that has its roots in punk. In other words, it was very much its own thing.
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Post by rayge on Sept 27, 2020 22:17:46 GMT
It's nothing to do with a homage to soul music and I don't remember anyone thinking of it in that way. Dexys mark one took a few very broad traits of 60s soul - punchy horn arrangements, an emphasis on a raw passion and married it to Rowlands own autobiographical concerns and an aggression/confrontationalism that has its roots in punk. In other words, it was very much its own thing.Yes the 'soul' was window-dressing really. I remember that they wouldn't do interviews, just wrote essays and paid for space in the weekly inkies. It was all about Rowland, and all about passion and fist-shaking. I didn't like it much: the soul boy/factory hand look and rhetoric didn't sit well with me at all, and Geno seemed contrived, so I never bought the album, but I did think get a cheap copy of Dance Stance and thought that was rather wonderful.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 22:26:11 GMT
The denim shit, covering a van Morrison song and me working in a disco discotheque where c'mon eilean was played every fucking bastarding saturday night, sometimes twice, put me off them. Some would say that's not really fair, i say, fuck off.
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Post by cousinlou on Sept 28, 2020 8:28:03 GMT
It's nothing to do with a homage to soul music and I don't remember anyone thinking of it in that way. Dexys mark one took a few very broad traits of 60s soul - punchy horn arrangements, an emphasis on a raw passion and married it to Rowlands own autobiographical concerns and an aggression/confrontationalism that has its roots in punk. In other words, it was very much its own thing.Yes the 'soul' was window-dressing really. I remember that they wouldn't do interviews, just wrote essays and paid for space in the weekly inkies. It was all about Rowland, and all about passion and fist-shaking. I didn't like it much: the soul boy/factory hand look and rhetoric didn't sit well with me at all, and Geno seemed contrived, so I never bought the album, but I did think get a cheap copy of Dance Stance and thought that was rather wonderful. It was a strange time when they came on the scene. The clothes were a bit of a gimmick. We had had Punk with clothes that soon turned into a uniform, Ska with their black and white antics and then early 80's Dexy's and the New Romantics. I never understood why they took that stance against the weekly's but the owners of those must have laughed their asses off. Rowland is the product of a musical youth filled with Northern Soul and Punk and came up with this particular blend of those. Although it does sound like a lab idea, it worked perfectly and I still believe it's one of the best albums coming out of the UK during that period.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 8:42:12 GMT
Indeed. The "authenticity" test when it comes to pop music is always doomed to failure. You'll just find your argument sunk by its internal contradictions and tie yourself up in knots. Pretty much all pop music from the mid fifties onwards has been a product of hybridisation of one kind or other.
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Post by fonz on Sept 28, 2020 9:13:24 GMT
I played in a band predominantly doing covers, for about 10 years, til my tinnitus fucked me over. We got 'Geno' on the setlist early on, and it stayed there as a fixture for dozens of gigs. You know what, it was fucking popular, and because it had horns etc (we had two in our brass section), the band loved playing it, myself included.
The gypsy stuff that came later (Eileen etc) was horrible, and I would have flat refused to play that stuff.
I was a middle-aged Young Soul Rebel
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 9:27:43 GMT
Is that guy's hat too tight? Hats were a CONTENTIOUS issue within early Dexys! Go to about 4.40 here... The whole doc is magnificent btw. They were always inspiring and ridiculous in equal measure, but I love that about them/him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 9:30:39 GMT
I played in a band predominantly doing covers, for about 10 years, til my tinnitus fucked me over. We got 'Geno' on the setlist early on, and it stayed there as a fixture for dozens of gigs. You know what, it was fucking popular, and because it had horns etc (we had two in our brass section), the band loved playing it, myself included. The gypsy stuff that came later (Eileen etc) was horrible, and I would have flat refused to play that stuff. I was a middle-aged Young Soul Rebel What you call the gypsy stuff really wasn't so different to the first album. He just replaced horns with strings, the arrangements were much the same.
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Post by fonz on Sept 28, 2020 12:45:15 GMT
I played in a band predominantly doing covers, for about 10 years, til my tinnitus fucked me over. We got 'Geno' on the setlist early on, and it stayed there as a fixture for dozens of gigs. You know what, it was fucking popular, and because it had horns etc (we had two in our brass section), the band loved playing it, myself included. The gypsy stuff that came later (Eileen etc) was horrible, and I would have flat refused to play that stuff. I was a middle-aged Young Soul Rebel What you call the gypsy stuff really wasn't so different to the first album. He just replaced horns with strings, the arrangements were much the same. It was the dungarees, man! Something tells me you never wore dungarees in your life!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 14:00:40 GMT
I've never liked them, even when they were supposedly in fashion. I always thought people wearing them looked like overgrown toddlers!
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Post by bungo the mungo on Sept 28, 2020 15:33:41 GMT
americans have a real hang-up with the UK and soul. whether it be the term northern soul or just UK bands taking soul as an influence.
i'll never forget sloop bigging up a black dude DJ/record-collecting friend of his who'd never heard of the term 'northern soul'. i just wanted to cringe.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Sept 28, 2020 20:41:15 GMT
It's nothing to do with a homage to soul music and I don't remember anyone thinking of it in that way. Dexys mark one took a few very broad traits of 60s soul - punchy horn arrangements, an emphasis on a raw passion and married it to Rowlands own autobiographical concerns and an aggression/confrontationalism that has its roots in punk. In other words, it was very much its own thing.If that's the case, and I didn't get that from the first album, that makes sense.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Sept 28, 2020 20:42:40 GMT
americans have a real hang-up with the UK and soul. whether it be the term northern soul or just UK bands taking soul as an influence. i'll never forget sloop bigging up a black dude DJ/record-collecting friend of his who'd never heard of the term 'northern soul'. i just wanted to cringe. I remember that. Northern Soul is a record collecting term. I bet I could ask 10 Black guys my age what it was and they wouldn't know. They'd maybe say, "You mean Detroit?"
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Post by sloopjohnc on Sept 28, 2020 20:44:20 GMT
Indeed. The "authenticity" test when it comes to pop music is always doomed to failure. You'll just find your argument sunk by its internal contradictions and tie yourself up in knots. Pretty much all pop music from the mid fifties onwards has been a product of hybridisation of one kind or other. I thought the Style Council pulled it off in a unique way. They got it, but brought their own personalities and stories to it. Rowland's not talented enough.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 20:47:22 GMT
Indeed. The "authenticity" test when it comes to pop music is always doomed to failure. You'll just find your argument sunk by its internal contradictions and tie yourself up in knots. Pretty much all pop music from the mid fifties onwards has been a product of hybridisation of one kind or other. I thought the Style Council pulled it off in a unique way. They got it, but brought their own personalities and stories to it. Rowland's not talented enough. He's written so many great songs over the years. He's a true artist.
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