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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jan 13, 2020 11:52:09 GMT
Does anybody feel sorry for them? Does anybody give a shit?
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Post by DarknessFish on Jan 13, 2020 12:38:47 GMT
Do we get a rebate for everything already spent on them from the public purse? I'm all for them fucking off doing what they want to do, so long as I don't pay for it or hear about it.
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Post by rayge on Jan 13, 2020 13:01:52 GMT
Not me. I barely know who they are.
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Post by tory on Jan 13, 2020 13:03:25 GMT
I don't feel sorry for them. Whilst I sympathise with what they want, they are finding out the hard way that theirs is no ordinary life.
As I said on BCB it all went wrong for them when they started banging on about climate change and other overtly political issue. Flying about in private jets made them look very stupid and I'm afraid that the press had every right to tear into them.
Meghan's issue is that she'll always be "the other". She's American, she's mixed race, she's a celebrity. She is not classic Royal material. Kate wasnt either, but she kept her trap shut.
There is the sense that she's married into something far more complex and old school than she understood. And that there is a certain way to do things that is "just the way we are". All families and being married into them are complex, it's just that this one is bang in the public eye. I don't think either of them understand the relationship between the press and the Royal Family. There is give and take. The press are both their best friend and their worst enemy.
Harry is the Royal family's secret weapon, so I'm certain that is why he has not been excommunicated. Perhaps he knows that, which is why this has happened.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jan 13, 2020 13:13:23 GMT
I don't care too much but I kind of like them and wish them all the best. And I think this is the start of something that will become, well, if not standard practice exactly, then probably not unusual.
What's interesting about all this is that views aren't split along the traditional left (hate the royals) right (love the monarchy) divisions. Young people who you might expect to vote Labour are defensive of Meghan, right-wingers see her as a spoilt brat. The 'racism' thing I'm really not sure about - it's definitely exaggerated by some.
Interesting on QT last week when the question was posed 'does anyone think they've done the WRONG thing?' - and not a single hand went up.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jan 13, 2020 13:21:02 GMT
I'm seeing people defend them quite strongly now. Part of it seems to be a backlash against the UK press combined with a perception that she has been treated badly simply because she is mixed race: www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/opinion/sunday/meghan-markle-prince-harry.htmlIf that's the "evidence" then that's risible. From what I can tell they really haven't helped themselves. She comes across as another well meaning but air headed Hollywood celebrity type who completely misunderstood what she was getting herself into and now they want to have their cake and eat it.
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Post by tory on Jan 13, 2020 13:28:18 GMT
The New York Times really has gone downhill.
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Post by tory on Jan 13, 2020 13:39:29 GMT
Oh I just saw it was written by Afua Hirsch.
That explains everything.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jan 13, 2020 14:08:47 GMT
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jan 13, 2020 14:30:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 14:49:57 GMT
Bu I don't feel sorry for them. Whilst I sympathise with what they want, they are finding out the hard way that theirs is no ordinary life. As I said on BCB it all went wrong for them when they started banging on about climate change and other overtly political issue. Flying about in private jets made them look very stupid and I'm afraid that the press had every right to tear into them. Meghan's issue is that she'll always be "the other". She's American, she's mixed race, she's a celebrity. She is not classic Royal material. Kate wasnt either, but she kept her trap shut. There is the sense that she's married into something far more complex and old school than she understood. And that there is a certain way to do things that is "just the way we are". But are we really? It seems to me that we have a modern couple who are part of an anachronistic system. Plus I would add the xenophobia and casual racism that she has been subjected to is a disgrace. I really wouldn't mistake the frothings of the right wing press for the way we are.
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Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on Jan 13, 2020 14:55:15 GMT
Why can't you guys come up with really cool nicknames for them like Powehi does?
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Post by toomanyhatz on Jan 13, 2020 17:00:37 GMT
Bu I don't feel sorry for them. Whilst I sympathise with what they want, they are finding out the hard way that theirs is no ordinary life. As I said on BCB it all went wrong for them when they started banging on about climate change and other overtly political issue. Flying about in private jets made them look very stupid and I'm afraid that the press had every right to tear into them. Meghan's issue is that she'll always be "the other". She's American, she's mixed race, she's a celebrity. She is not classic Royal material. Kate wasnt either, but she kept her trap shut. There is the sense that she's married into something far more complex and old school than she understood. And that there is a certain way to do things that is "just the way we are". But are we really? It seems to me that we have a modern couple who are part of an anachronistic system. Plus I would add the xenophobia and casual racism that she has been subjected to is a disgrace. I really wouldn't mistake the frothings of the right wing press for the way we are.
This is my take too. Don't know much about them as people, but I do have some sympathy for them. I really do think the casual racism is a thing, and from my perspective there's no question that the British press has a history of nastiness above and beyond. And Kate faced criticism too, but nowhere near as much, and I really don't think it's 'cause she 'kept her trap shut.'
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 17:09:17 GMT
I don't care about it, but I'm glad they had the gumption to get out if that's what they wanted to do.
I read an article on my phone today from my Twitter feed in the Guardian, where Harry said his motivation was his mom's death, and not wanting the Paparazzi to get to his wife that way.
The article also said that they're decision led to a little enmity between Harry's brother and him. Little brothers always get away with more and I'm sure it puts a lot of pressure on William.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jan 13, 2020 17:44:17 GMT
And yet they were greeted with such effusive, gushing praise. The wedding was a huge royal success. Even by royal standards it was pretty nauseating the levels of arse licking and her Americaness and, yes, her mixed background was a positive thing. Signs of a new, "modern" royal family. She was welcomed... And then it went wrong. Look at the no photos thing at Wimbledon which came across as rather divaish (conversely Kate attended Wimbledon and did no such thing). Elton John's private jets. The baby shower in New York and yet more private jets. The interview in South Africa when it was all about them complaining about their lives whilst trying to, apparently, raise awareness about "important local issues" etc. The reaction to that, in particular, was one of almost offense at a bunch of rich cunts making it all about THEM I recall. And then you add the stuff. It all just appears vastly hypocritical and totally lacking in self awareness. Look at this Sussex brand nonsense and their desire to keep their titles whilst walking away from it all. If you were being ultra cynical and that way inclined you could view it all in a very negative way indeed. The British press build people up and they knock 'em down. That's what they do. It seems to me that the couple have made a series of errors in PR judgement and also probably find themselves on the receiving end of an anti- backlash against celebrity types and their sanctimonious and hypocritical witterings. To attribute this to racism seems a massive projection to me and the actual evidence, as it is, is pretty laughable really. Which just leaves the worst possible motivation interpretation.
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