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Post by cousinlou on Oct 20, 2020 9:11:30 GMT
I think it's to do with sensitivity Why are young people more left wing and older people more right wing? What changes? Why did I change? Trying to keep what you have in terms of wealth and view on the world.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 9:28:27 GMT
I think it's to do with sensitivity Why are young people more left wing and older people more right wing? What changes? Why did I change? Realities of life. Maybe a cliche answer, but 100% true IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 9:33:06 GMT
You become crippled wih loathing because you've met more people. Youthful idealism is tempered by real world experience. Some groups, look at academics for example, don't gain this real world experience like most of us do so they live in a wee bubble, a world of ideas and theories rather than real world solutions and hard boiled pragmatism that your average person is more interested in. The average person in the street faces consequences you know. In the same way that your Hollywood celeb can talk about socialism but they are financially independent enough to not face consequences should things change politically. You're assuming a move rightwards is governed solely by practical experience and intelligence, whilst it may equally be caused by close mindedness, increasing intolerance and selfishness. Furthermore, it should be remembered many don't drift to the right and retain their political beliefs for the majority of their lives.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 9:33:53 GMT
Why are young people more left wing and older people more right wing? What changes? Why did I change? Realities of life. Maybe a cliche answer, but 100% true IMHO. You're right...it is a cliche answer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 9:35:24 GMT
Realities of life. Maybe a cliche answer, but 100% true IMHO. You're right...it is a cliche answer. Ok G.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 10:10:48 GMT
Priorities change rather than values for the most part. You need financial support when you're young, and if you're not getting it from parents then its practical to support a party who can provide it. The longer that generations are going to struggle before settling down, the more delayed the classic "shift" to conservativism is going to happen.
More entrenched conservative values in the working class is usually a result of armed forces conditioning in my experience.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 10:15:43 GMT
Kids are living with their kids longer here in Ireland instead of moving out. I'm not really criticizing because i was kinda the same. I was like a yo yo in my 20's, moving out for a year or two then back due to various valid reasons. I think (in my humble unresearched opinion) part of it is to do with parents wanting to protect their kids from the world too much, as much as the complain about their kids not moving out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 10:19:32 GMT
It's almost entirely due to the realities of the housing market, and in particular the rental sector. Far more significant than any socio-cultural explanation.
As to the question of people's politics, the kind of job you do has a hell of an influence.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 10:26:00 GMT
It's almost entirely due to the realities of the housing market, and in particular the rental sector. Far more significant than any socio-cultural explanation. That is part of the issue but i still stand by what i said. Some kids are too happy to living at home using the excuse of rent prices etc. However the kids that do move out, they're not walking in to 60,000 euro a year jobs and still manage. Their life might not be fun with not much money for leisure, but it's life lesson learning that will ultimately benefit them in the long run. That's what i mean by parent being over protective. They don't want to see their kids struggle, tight one, let them to within reason, it's life.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 10:37:23 GMT
It depends where you are Markus. In the south east the financial issues really are the overriding issue. I knew someone whose son was a video director with a top ad agency. A dream job right? Creative with a big salary. But he was a sharing a pokey little flat in the East End with four others. It was all he could get or afford.
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Post by tory on Oct 20, 2020 10:51:26 GMT
The big issue which I think has pushed people away from Conservatism in the UK is that it is no longer possible for the "average person" to have a family where the mother stays at home and rears the children, or that one person does it.
We were able to do it because of my wife's salary and then being able to start up her own business.
Today id argue that most families have two working parents. Why is that? A combination of a lot of things, not all of which are palatable to lefties funnily enough.
1. De-industrialisation and free market economics, particularly in the North
2. Women entering the workplace in greater numbers since the sixties
3. High levels of immigration.
Whilst 2 and 3 obviously have very positive benefits too, which are plainly obvious in terms of freedom to work, dignity etc etc, larger numbers of people in the workplace means that wages go down or at least do not rise.
More people working means less people in the community during the day. That may change back a little because of Covid.
Less people in the community and on the high Street (women would shop every day until the advent of the supermarket) meant that less people are affiliated with the community, which is where Conservative beliefs often stem from. I identify something I like or see as good and I want to protect it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 11:14:57 GMT
It depends where you are Markus. In the south east the financial issues really are the overriding issue. I knew someone whose son was a video director with a top ad agency. A dream job right? Creative with a big salary. But he was a sharing a pokey little flat in the East End with four others. It was all he could get or afford. It does matter were you are but it doesn't excuse every one. I've 3rd level education in media and film/tv, we were warned only the top % make good money from that kinda of job. Also if you do get big salary gig like your friends son, pretend you're only getting paid 50%/60% of your salary and save the rest for rainy and lean days on the work front.
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Post by rayge on Oct 20, 2020 11:15:52 GMT
More people working means less people in the community during the day. That may change back a little because of Covid. Less people in the community and on the high Street (women would shop every day until the advent of the supermarket) meant that less people are affiliated with the community, which is where Conservative beliefs often stem from. I identify something I like or see as good and I want to protect it. FFS 'Fewer'
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 11:29:24 GMT
"women would shop" *ties headscarf firmly under chin*
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Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on Oct 20, 2020 11:42:42 GMT
He's just trying to protect you.
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