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Post by Stacy Heydon on Jun 13, 2023 14:50:39 GMT
Well - the ‘origin of Covid’ story became impossible to have a nuanced conversation about because it was immediately politicized by the far right. They didn’t just theorize about a lab leak - they framed it as a Chinese attack. That muddied the waters for any further conversation. That’s the elephant in the room here. There’s an army of grifters and propagandists who’ve entered the media bloodstream. They play to the pre-existing prejudices of their marks for money, attention and political gain, and the result is that we’re all forced to make sense of a kind of epistemological hell hole. Add to the above, the existence of AI, photoshop, and other tech that renders all evidence untrustworthy to those who are motivated to mistrust- and we’re left with a world where the truth is what you make it. But there's also the fact that we never -in my view anyway - got a very convincing 'official' story of what happened. It felt a bit as if the west were wary of stepping on the toes of China and that created a vacuum for other stories to grow.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 13, 2023 14:58:07 GMT
"You can't call it a Chinese virus. That's racist."
Lol
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Post by davey on Jun 13, 2023 15:01:28 GMT
Well - the ‘origin of Covid’ story became impossible to have a nuanced conversation about because it was immediately politicized by the far right. They didn’t just theorize about a lab leak - they framed it as a Chinese attack. That muddied the waters for any further conversation. That’s the elephant in the room here. There’s an army of grifters and propagandists who’ve entered the media bloodstream. They play to the pre-existing prejudices of their marks for money, attention and political gain, and the result is that we’re all forced to make sense of a kind of epistemological hell hole. Add to the above, the existence of AI, photoshop, and other tech that renders all evidence untrustworthy to those who are motivated to mistrust- and we’re left with a world where the truth is what you make it. But there's also the fact that we never -in my view anyway - got a very convincing 'official' story of what happened. It felt a bit as if the west were wary of stepping on the toes of China and that created a vacuum for other stories to grow. It takes a while to determine what the truth is. Especially when dealing with a less-than-forthcoming Chinese government. So that time itself created that vacuum. A vacuum that grifters (all the way up the ladder to Donald Trump himself) jumped at the chance to fill. To the extent that some overcompensated in their reaction to those grifters by dismissing the small kernel of truth that came with more bellicose accusations of viral warfare, I think that’s an understandable casualty of the situation.
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Post by davey on Jun 13, 2023 15:01:50 GMT
"You can't call it a Chinese virus. That's racist." Lol It is.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 13, 2023 15:22:29 GMT
Well - the ‘origin of Covid’ story became impossible to have a nuanced conversation about because it was immediately politicized by the far right. They didn’t just theorize about a lab leak - they framed it as a Chinese attack. That muddied the waters for any further conversation. That’s the elephant in the room here. There’s an army of grifters and propagandists who’ve entered the media bloodstream. They play to the pre-existing prejudices of their marks for money, attention and political gain, and the result is that we’re all forced to make sense of a kind of epistemological hell hole. Add to the above, the existence of AI, photoshop, and other tech that renders all evidence untrustworthy to those who are motivated to mistrust- and we’re left with a world where the truth is what you make it. But there's also the fact that we never -in my view anyway - got a very convincing 'official' story of what happened. It felt a bit as if the west were wary of stepping on the toes of China and that created a vacuum for other stories to grow. They were scared of China but I thought at the time as soon as Trump fingered CHYNA a section of the media almost instinctively backed off from the obvious simply because he said it.
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Post by davey on Jun 13, 2023 15:29:48 GMT
But there's also the fact that we never -in my view anyway - got a very convincing 'official' story of what happened. It felt a bit as if the west were wary of stepping on the toes of China and that created a vacuum for other stories to grow. They were scared of China but I thought at the time as soon as Trump fingered CHYNA a section of the media almost instinctively backed off from the obvious simply because he said it. They backed off because he expressly framed it as an attack.
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Post by Sneelock on Jun 13, 2023 18:22:55 GMT
everybody I know who tells me kooky shit HATES mainstream media like it raped their daughters. they certainly don't hate whoever it is that they get the kooky shit from.
Yeah, mainstream media has to be navigated - you need to parse it - nibble at it - try it on for size. just because I regard it doesn't mean I swallow it whole. what gets ME is why do people I love hate THAT so much yet are willing to swallow kooky stuff whole?
it's an enigma wrapped in bacon.
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Post by Sneelock on Jun 13, 2023 18:24:09 GMT
They were scared of China but I thought at the time as soon as Trump fingered CHYNA a section of the media almost instinctively backed off from the obvious simply because he said it. They backed off because he expressly framed it as an attack. AFTER (let us not forget) PRAISING their initial response!
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 13, 2023 19:45:29 GMT
Was that diplomacy? Trump loves a bit of rhetoric and bombast but there's often truth in there too which some are loathe to ever admit. Trump called CHYNA out and the lab leak when nobody else like him did. But as soon as he said lab leak that was it even though Mike Pompeo - a more serious fella I'm sure you agree - backed him up. Trump derangement syndrome kicked in/amped up. It can't possibly be that and besides, some people at Fox, have been suggesting other stuff therefore if That Lot are talking about this then We must resist all their conspiratorial musings. Ooops. That worked out well.
I remember the so much of the American media at the time - as I do our own - and from Facebook to the Washington post etc they pushed the narrative that this was not a lab leak and Facebook and Youtube even censored it. Some even lost the plot talking about bloody racism lol. How pathetic they were.
Trump also called out the WHO btw and pointed out they'd been fatally compromised by CHYNA when everyone was licking their arseholes. He was right about that too.
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Post by Sneelock on Jun 13, 2023 20:01:51 GMT
maybe if TRUMP hadn't been calling it Kung-Flu and vastly overstating Obama era connections to the Wuhan Lab that they might have taken him more seriously?
he went from thanking Xi-Ping for his great reaction to all but pulling up the corners of his eyes like Jerry Lewis. sure, skeptical is fair but with THAT guy it's just good sense.
seriously, the man takes credit for the sun coming up in the morning!
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Post by tory on Jun 13, 2023 20:20:21 GMT
Ockham's Razor points to a Lab Leak. I said this ages ago and was pilloried by friends on social media for being a conspiracy theorist in 2020. Now they've changed their fucking tune.
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Post by oh oooh on Jun 13, 2023 20:24:54 GMT
oooh oh
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Post by tory on Jun 13, 2023 20:27:20 GMT
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Post by davey on Jun 13, 2023 21:42:23 GMT
Credibility matters. If a guy continually lies to you, then tells you one plausible thing (long before the experts have a chance to prove it) wrapped up in a few more lies and conspiracy speak - it isn’t “derangement syndrome” (FFS!!) to dismiss that person’s words out of hand. It is just common sense.
A blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut, and so Donald Trump may have stumbled onto a few things that panned out too. But I’m on the side of whomever called folks conspiracy theorists for spreading the lab theory as fact before anyone had any way of knowing if it was.
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Post by Sneelock on Jun 13, 2023 22:15:15 GMT
Birx, his OWN COVID response appointment, said "hundreds of thousands" died needlessly due to his inaction. I mean, the volume of his fuck-ups on COVID are pretty astonishing. Harping on him blaming the Lab changes the focus. it's like talking about Biden's garage or Hillary's emails when he's caught red handed. it's a rope a dope. it's all his defenders seem capable of anymore. I think most of the TRUMP derangement is among those defending him. who wants a selfie? Attachments:
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