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Post by tory on Jul 8, 2020 9:33:49 GMT
These are some interesting responses to the concept of white privilege from female commentators of African heritage here in the UK.
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Jul 8, 2020 16:01:44 GMT
Both appear to be right wing reactionary types, but their arguments marginal and canard chasing as they are, do point that Privilege is probably culture, history and country specific. Eurpoean countries with only relatively recent non white immigrants and the ongoing Roma problem need to look at blood heritage as a means to identifying nationality: we all look alike, we speak the same language, we eat the same food, (probably share same religion), we can all point to long linages, and nobody will question our "belonging".
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Post by tory on Jul 8, 2020 16:39:48 GMT
"Need to look at blood heritage"?
As I've said before - the best identity out there, however imperfect, is nationality.
Many people of different heritage have come to the UK since the war and have assimilated successfully because they have accepted British nationality and "feel" British. Their parents came as 1st or 2nd generation immigrants and tried their hardest to become British.
Some don't and there are good reasons for that. It is not a solution. It is a compromise.
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Jul 8, 2020 16:50:38 GMT
What are the "good reasons" for not assimilating?
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Post by tory on Jul 8, 2020 17:31:51 GMT
Some may not feel that they want to be "British". That's understandable, particularly if they are attached to an identity that is stronger. It is desirable for a country's overall harmony, but assimilation can be achieved without necessarily being attached to a particular nationality.
Norman Tebbitt, a former Thatcherite, called it the "Cricket Test". When sides like the West Indies, India & Pakistan played in England, the test of whose identity those of different heritages was down to which side they supported.
This was back in the 80s and 90s, when I'd say that the attachment to their former country, even if they'd never been there, was much stronger. For example, their parents may have bee 1st gen immigrants, spoke the language at home etc.
Today I'd say this "test" is much less distinct - whenever I go to watch England play cricket, which is at least twice a year, I see a much greater "spread" of heritages than I used to back in the 1990s.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Jul 8, 2020 17:38:52 GMT
Some may not feel that they want to be "British". That's understandable, particularly if they are attached to an identity that is stronger. It is desirable for a country's overall harmony, but assimilation can be achieved without necessarily being attached to a particular nationality. Norman Tebbitt, a former Thatcherite, called it the "Cricket Test". When sides like the West Indies, India & Pakistan played in England, the test of whose identity those of different heritages was down to which side they supported. This was back in the 80s and 90s, when I'd say that the attachment to their former country, even if they'd never been there, was much stronger. For example, their parents may have bee 1st gen immigrants, spoke the language at home etc. Today I'd say this "test" is much less distinct - whenever I go to watch England play cricket, which is at least twice a year, I see a much greater "spread" of heritages than I used to back in the 1990s. I think that's colonialism, not assimilating. Half kidding.
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Post by cousinlou on Jul 9, 2020 16:26:32 GMT
Although we’re probably not the best judges, but does anyone here have the feeling he/she has been wading in white privilage their entire life?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 16:49:26 GMT
Nope
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 17:47:42 GMT
The problem is that the onus is always on immigrant communities to assimilate. I grew up in a neighbourhood that had a large, well established community of Bangladeshi muslims that had been there since the liberation war. In world cup years they were often the most likely in the area to display St George's flags and wear shirts to show how adapted they are. It didn't stop a racist arson attack burning one of their houses down, or a local scandal where traffic wardens were caught saying they shouldn't be here, or the windows of their mosque being smashed in. Some just don't care how hard they try.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Jul 9, 2020 18:13:41 GMT
Although we’re probably not the best judges, but does anyone here have the feeling he/she has been wading in white privilage their entire life? Of course. I've been with Hispanic and Black friends while stopped by police and been treated totally differently. On occasion, the cops would talk to me as if I was the only one they could reason with or relate to. I've also been questioned by police on why I'm hanging out with Hispanic folks and African Americans.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jul 9, 2020 18:36:04 GMT
And did you tell them that's where you get the best baseball cap tips?
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Post by daveythefatboy on Jul 10, 2020 17:03:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 17:38:34 GMT
Cute you went out of your way to find that. Like i said before, "I'm out".
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Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on Jul 10, 2020 17:54:04 GMT
Lol. So you do experience privilege.
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Post by daveythefatboy on Jul 10, 2020 17:54:18 GMT
Hardly out of my way. First thing that came up in a Google search.
But sure. Ignore it. That’s your privilege right there.
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