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Post by cousinlou on Jul 13, 2020 11:34:25 GMT
In the US, in the south you had segregation of everything, separate and unequal: schools, public works, hotels, etc., In the South there were Jim Crow laws that made it difficult for blacks to vote by requiring various kinds of identification, payments and testing. They also forbid intermarriage of races. Throughout the US there was 'red-lining' which Identified whole swaths of cities, towns, neighborhoods that could not be sold to blacks and designated areas that could. During the 60s lots of urban renewal projects in NYC, Chicago, Boston, Phila, DC, etc., (highways, hospitals, parks, etc.,) were built right through, or in place of traditional black neighborhoods because they did not have the political/legal clout to resist. For those that could afford a house, banks and mortgage companies traditionally charged them higher processing fees and 2-5% higher on loan interest. Universal school testing that is specific to the predominant white culture that you have not been allowed to successfully participate in. Inner city schools are traditionally black and brown and are not as well funded as white suburban schools. Because of the Tuskegee experiment and forced sterilization from '20s-'50s there is a mistrust of the traditional white (male) medical establishment. The doctor who pioneered chemo therapy essentially did unsanctioned experiments and testing on the Puerto Rican population because he considered them "subhuman". This deep mistrust is apparent in black specific conspiracy theories about doctors, hospitals, medicine, mental health diagnosis, even Coca Cola. Just looking at Total graduate completions. 1996 White students 69.5% 2016 51.8% ( = - 25.5%)
1996 Black students 5.9% 2016 9.8% ( = + 66.1% )
In 2016, the US population consisted of 248.5 million White and 43 million Black people. Black people amounted to 17.3% of White people. In 2016, black student numbers were 18.9% of that of white students. if there were barriers this has led to an over representation of Black students vs White students against what the population mix would have suggested. Source: U.S. Department of Education, Integrated Postsecondary Education Data System, 1996 and 2016
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 11:38:38 GMT
I just googled the US Pop for 2016, It gave 323.1 million. 323.1 - 248.5 = 74.6. Then 74.6 - 43 = 31.6, is the 31.6 mil like latino, native american etc?
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Post by tory on Jul 13, 2020 11:41:00 GMT
Statistics show that on the whole in the UK, those of non white heritage perform better academically in terms of representation at Uni when considering the ratio of them to white British in terms of population.
This is partly because of the growing decline of lower income white people over the last 40 years in education. There is a significant issue in schools with what might be termed working class white boys.
Much of this is cultural. In my limited experience in education, parents of non white heritage generally seem to take a much greater interest in their children's upbringing and schooling.
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Post by cousinlou on Jul 13, 2020 11:47:55 GMT
I just googled the US Pop for 2016, It gave 323.1 million. 323.1 - 248.5 = 74.6. Then 74.6 - 43 = 31.6, is the 31.6 mil like latino, native american etc? Yep, sure, as well as Asian, mixed race people etc.
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Post by cousinlou on Jul 13, 2020 11:51:15 GMT
Statistics show that on the whole in the UK, those of non white heritage perform better academically in terms of representation at Uni when considering the ratio of them to white British in terms of population. This is partly because of the growing decline of lower income white people over the last 40 years in education. There is a significant issue in schools with what might be termed working class white boys. Much of this is cultural. In my limited experience in education, parents of non white heritage generally seem to take a much greater interest in their children's upbringing and schooling. Yes, I'd go with that explanation too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 11:51:48 GMT
I just googled the US Pop for 2016, It gave 323.1 million. 323.1 - 248.5 = 74.6. Then 74.6 - 43 = 31.6, is the 31.6 mil like latino, native american etc? Yep, sure, as well as Asian, mixed race people etc. Surprised by that, i thought the non white population in the US was a lot larger than that.
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Post by cousinlou on Jul 13, 2020 12:35:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 12:36:07 GMT
Equality will never be "fixed". The idea that there is some "sweet spot" where everything moves in harmony and equilibrium is just nonsense. Inequality and difference will always be present in life and there is little that we can do about that. Likewise there will always be road traffic accidents, so there is absolutely no point in trying to make things safer..right?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 12:42:41 GMT
Yeah i don't think that's what he means. While a glass half empty point of view, he's right. However we should always try to fight inequality.
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Post by cousinlou on Jul 13, 2020 12:48:09 GMT
Equality will never be "fixed". The idea that there is some "sweet spot" where everything moves in harmony and equilibrium is just nonsense. Inequality and difference will always be present in life and there is little that we can do about that. Just think of a) the difference between men and women and b) the fundamental "aesthetic" differences between people. How some people are, for example, born with features that can give them enormous privilege in life whereas those born with features deemed to be aesthetically unfavourable, might struggle. Are we to have "beauty privilege" next? I suspect we will at some point. Difference are clear but the point is must they matter that much ? Reading tip : www.janklowandnesbit.co.uk/news/2019/october/rutger-bregman-humankind-de-meeste-mensen-deugen-dutch-bestseller-list-1
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 12:48:09 GMT
Yeah i don't think that's what he means. While a glass half empty point of view, he's right. However we should always try to fight inequality. What he's doing is characterising socially progressive views and programmes for change in such a way as to make them sound naive and misjudged in order to discredit them. As he usually does.
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Post by oh oooh on Jul 13, 2020 12:52:42 GMT
Even Scruton would be shaking his head at Tobes' REVISIONIST AGENDA
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 13:02:08 GMT
Yeah i don't think that's what he means. While a glass half empty point of view, he's right. However we should always try to fight inequality. What he's doing is characterising socially progressive views and programmes for change in such a way as to make them sound naive and misjudged in order to discredit them. As he usually does. I see it as him just stating fact no matter how depressing it sounds. Each to their own i guess.
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Post by tory on Jul 13, 2020 13:02:09 GMT
Interviewer - Tom Sowell, you used to be a Marxist didn't you?
Sowell - Yes, I was in my twenties.
Interviewer- So why did you stop being a Marxist?
Sowell - Oh that's easy. Facts.
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Post by oh oooh on Jul 13, 2020 13:28:04 GMT
Genius!
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