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Aug 7, 2020 14:29:56 GMT
Post by DarknessFish on Aug 7, 2020 14:29:56 GMT
I think punk was the loud bright noise that got noticed, but artists categorized as new wave were the ones considered accessible and with song craft that were able to exploit the situation the best. You mean all the boring twats like Elvis Costello?
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Aug 7, 2020 14:38:07 GMT
Post by ~ / % ? * on Aug 7, 2020 14:38:07 GMT
I think punk was the loud bright noise that got noticed, but artists categorized as new wave were the ones considered accessible and with song craft that were able to exploit the situation the best. You mean all the boring twats like Elvis Costello? You bet DF, Elvis, GoGo's, Petty, Cars, Squeeze, Split Enz, Police, Human League, Culture, Club, even Blondie, etc.,
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Aug 7, 2020 15:05:07 GMT
Post by sloopjohnc on Aug 7, 2020 15:05:07 GMT
You mean all the boring twats like Elvis Costello? You bet DF, Elvis, GoGo's, Petty, Cars, Squeeze, Split Enz, Police, Human League, Culture, Club, even Blondie, etc., You could sell them - you couldn't sell the Dead Boys, Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Pere Ubu. Too small a "market."
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Aug 7, 2020 15:22:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 15:22:58 GMT
Oh I'd say the scene was generally working class here from what I've heard and seen. The local stuff went the Oi! route pretty quickly (Toy Dolls, Red Alert etc) or anarcho (Upstarts). It probably fed into 80s rave culture in the North East most directly. Wouldn't call Angelic Upstarts Anarcho Punk. They were more in that Sham 69 line of Street punk. You're probably right, I just used it as a default political tag.
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Aug 7, 2020 16:14:29 GMT
Post by Charlie O. on Aug 7, 2020 16:14:29 GMT
That's one of the reasons I loved going to the UK in '79 where disparate styles of music were played on the radio. Radio in the US had been largely segmented into genres. If you like C&W, we'll give you more C&W. I grew up with AM radio, where you'd hear Smokey Robinson and Al Green played next to T-Rex, Kiki Dee or Elton John. The surprise was the fun part. Listening to PIL and the Ruts next to Janet Kay or Anita Ward made it fun and surprising again. I apologize for drifting from the topic on hand, but I just wanted to say that that too was something that happened very quickly, at least where I lived. In '76-'77 on the pop stations you still heard rock next to soul next to country next to disco next to novelty next to easy listening... And I agree, it was nice; if you didn't like what was playing, something very different was bound to be along in three minutes or less. By '79 a lot of that was indeed gone.
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Aug 7, 2020 16:19:33 GMT
Post by sloopjohnc on Aug 7, 2020 16:19:33 GMT
That's one of the reasons I loved going to the UK in '79 where disparate styles of music were played on the radio. Radio in the US had been largely segmented into genres. If you like C&W, we'll give you more C&W. I grew up with AM radio, where you'd hear Smokey Robinson and Al Green played next to T-Rex, Kiki Dee or Elton John. The surprise was the fun part. Listening to PIL and the Ruts next to Janet Kay or Anita Ward made it fun and surprising again. I apologize for drifting from the topic on hand, but I just wanted to say that that too was something that happened very quickly, at least where I lived. In '76-'77 on the pop stations you still heard rock next to soul next to country next to disco next to novelty next to easy listening... And I agree, it was nice; if you didn't like what was playing, something very different was bound to be along in three minutes or less. By '79 a lot of that was indeed gone. Screw Ray. He's a topic nazi.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 17:13:58 GMT
Yes, absolutely. I just don't know that those artists (especially the likes of Costello) would have had such a hard time breaking through without punk. But it's probably not worth arguing and we'll never know anyway. You already had the popularity of bands like Dr Feelgood and Eddie & The Hots Rods around early 76. It's kind of possible to imagine punk not happening and it leading straight from those bands into Costello, The Police etc. Thank fuck this alternative history never happened!
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Aug 7, 2020 17:18:05 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 17:18:05 GMT
You bet DF, Elvis, GoGo's, Petty, Cars, Squeeze, Split Enz, Police, Human League, Culture, Club, even Blondie, etc., You could sell them - you couldn't sell the Dead Boys, Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Pere Ubu. Too small a "market." That's a UScentric view though. In Britain,punk was pretty successful commercially..The Pistols singles went top ten.
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Aug 7, 2020 17:26:48 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 17:26:48 GMT
Mind you the idea that punk got played on UK radio ( with the obvious exception of Peel) is a bit of a fallacy. Radio One was very conservative. You would hear The Police or Costello, but not The Clash or PIL. It was a bit more like the US in that regard.
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Aug 7, 2020 17:27:48 GMT
Post by ~ / % ? * on Aug 7, 2020 17:27:48 GMT
You could sell them - you couldn't sell the Dead Boys, Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Pere Ubu. Too small a "market." That's a UScentric view though. In Britain,punk was pretty successful commercially..The Pistols singles went top ten. Indeed, the US did not have the wonderful history of the UK's musical subcultures. Still, the sales from a big single/album in the UK, would still get most artists cut in the US, so it's all relative. Which also meant there was a robust indie US punk scene selling a few hundred, a few thousand to 50-200k units, and finally Suicidal Tendencies going Platinum ( probably more than all UK punk sold in total). The Pistols did eventually go US Gold, and the Clash debut sold 100k units as an import, before its domestic release a year later (?).
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Aug 7, 2020 17:28:27 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 17:28:27 GMT
It's surprising a punk pirate radio station never happened given how into DIY media culture punk was.
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Aug 7, 2020 17:29:48 GMT
Post by ~ / % ? * on Aug 7, 2020 17:29:48 GMT
It's surprising a punk pirate radio station never happened given how into DIY media culture punk was. None adapted? I thought that was the whole point of a pirate?
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Aug 7, 2020 17:34:41 GMT
Post by bungo the mungo on Aug 7, 2020 17:34:41 GMT
That's a UScentric view though. In Britain,punk was pretty successful commercially..The Pistols singles went top ten. Indeed, the US did not have the wonderful history of the UK's musical subcultures. Still, the sales from a big single/album in the UK, would still get most artists cut in the US, so it's all relative. Which also meant there was a robust indie US punk scene selling a few hundred, a few thousand to 50-200k units, and finally Suicidal Tendencies going Platinum ( probably more than all UK punk sold in total). The Pistols did eventually go US Gold, and the Clash debut sold 100k units as an import, before its domestic release a year later (?). Jesus Christ, you must miss Matt Wilson
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 17:36:33 GMT
It's surprising a punk pirate radio station never happened given how into DIY media culture punk was. None adapted? I thought that was the whole point of a pirate? The original pirate stations were at sea, but they were closed down around 67. Pirate stations in London began in the late seventies/early 80s, but they played soul and funk or reggae.
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Aug 7, 2020 17:40:43 GMT
Post by sloopjohnc on Aug 7, 2020 17:40:43 GMT
You could sell them - you couldn't sell the Dead Boys, Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Pere Ubu. Too small a "market." That's a UScentric view though. In Britain,punk was pretty successful commercially..The Pistols singles went top ten. It is. I'm hoping when you guys read my posts that's understood and I don't need a disclaimer. Like I wrote earlier, it was interesting to visit England and seeing bands on Top of the Pops that had no hope of hell to getting on its US counterpart, American Bandstand.
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