Sneelock
god
Ice Cream by night
Posts: 9,087
|
Post by Sneelock on Dec 8, 2020 17:28:12 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 8, 2020 17:31:48 GMT
10 pages
|
|
|
|
Post by Charlie O. on Dec 8, 2020 17:33:36 GMT
Can I add that Allen isn't actually guilty of anything, unlike Polanski who fessed up then fled like a coward. He hasn't been found guilty of a crime in a court of law, true. But I'd say a 56 year-old guy starting a relationship with a high school student to whom he's been a stepfather-figure since she was eight is a pretty big moral transgression. As Dougie says/suggests, he was never a "stepfather figure". Woody and Mia never lived together; he barely even knew Soon-Yi for most of that time; she was probably about 20 when they did (at Mia's suggestion!) start spending a little time together. I'm not saying there isn't anything, umm, awkward about a middle-aged man taking up with his erstwhile girlfriend's adopted daughter, but we might as well get the facts straight.
Here's the article Dougie mentioned:
|
|
Sneelock
god
Ice Cream by night
Posts: 9,087
|
Post by Sneelock on Dec 8, 2020 17:36:16 GMT
so, long story short...
"stupid girl" either makes you squirm or it don't.
you either think Woody is a perv or you don't.
"shiny happy people" is a great song the whole family can enjoy.
doesn't that about cover it?
|
|
|
|
Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 8, 2020 17:45:22 GMT
Singers often stand up and sing the song they wrote. You can take potshots at them. Not the same thing with films at all. Just wait till Keef in a moment of drunken vengefulness releases a tape of Jagger talking about grabbing a lasses fanny in 1989. "'ere, Keef! Do you remember that tiiii-iiiime I grabbed that woman's pu-ssaay at Elton John's par-taaay?"
|
|
|
|
Post by Charlie O. on Dec 8, 2020 17:45:54 GMT
As for "Stupid Girl" - no, it's not Jagger's most impressive or sophisticated  lyric, and yes, it's perhaps meaner than it needs to be. Nonetheless, I've known and observed girls/women that fit that lyric reasonably well; I would bet that all of you have, too. I guarantee that most if not all of the girls/women in the Stones' mid-'60s fanbase did, and I have to assume they didn't take the song personally... aside from maybe the ones the song actually described, in which cases it might (hypothetically) have prompted some self-reflection. So is it actually misogynistic? If a woman sang something equally vitriolic about a particular man, would we assume that she hated all men, or just one in particular? |
|
|
|
Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 8, 2020 17:52:20 GMT
It's a type he's singing about.
They exist in both sexes.
|
|
|
|
Post by Charlie O. on Dec 8, 2020 17:56:15 GMT
Exactly.
|
|
|
|
Post by fonz on Dec 8, 2020 18:04:48 GMT
If it was written about a particular individual, I would argue that’s it’s not misogynistic. It’s personal, unpleasant maybe, but not a generalisation.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 18:33:10 GMT
But Charlie this type of lyric is almost a mini genre within The Stones catalogue, so that has to be considered too rather than treating it as a one off observational song.
|
|
loveless
god
Bringing ballet to the masses. Sticking to the funk.
Posts: 3,001
Member is Online
|
Post by loveless on Dec 8, 2020 19:58:42 GMT
But Charlie this type of lyric is almost a mini genre within The Stones catalogue, so that has to be considered too rather than treating it as a one off observational song. They should really do some sort of compilation! Seems odd for them to leave all that money lying on the table. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 20:06:21 GMT
But Charlie this type of lyric is almost a mini genre within The Stones catalogue, so that has to be considered too rather than treating it as a one off observational song. They should really do some sort of compilation! Seems odd for them to leave all that money lying on the table. The cover could be a giant thumb pushing down on Chrissie Shrimpton! |
|
loveless
god
Bringing ballet to the masses. Sticking to the funk.
Posts: 3,001
Member is Online
|
Post by loveless on Dec 8, 2020 20:09:11 GMT
They should really do some sort of compilation! Seems odd for them to leave all that money lying on the table. The cover could be a giant thumb pushing down on Chrissie Shrimpton!  |
|
|
|
Post by Charlie O. on Dec 8, 2020 20:11:54 GMT
But Charlie this type of lyric is almost a mini genre within The Stones catalogue, so that has to be considered too rather than treating it as a one off observational song. So how are you considering it? |
|
|
|
Post by daveythefatboy on Dec 8, 2020 20:25:26 GMT
They should really do some sort of compilation! Seems odd for them to leave all that money lying on the table. The cover could be a giant thumb pushing down on Chrissie Shrimpton! Some Stupid Girls The New Album By England’s Oldest Hitmakers - The Rolling Stones |
|
lyric, and yes, it's perhaps meaner than it needs to be. 
