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Post by oh oooh on Dec 30, 2020 14:48:38 GMT
This is wonderful
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Post by bungo the mungo on Dec 30, 2020 15:06:01 GMT
my grandparents on my mother's side were real cockneys and they had that twang in their voice which you just don't hear anymore. ol' ma skope still has a bit of it. my cousin unearthed an old reel to reel tape of a family christmas get together from 1967 and it was fascinating to hear the way people spoke back then.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 15:16:38 GMT
As gay as this sounds, i get why people (especially women) like to listen to Tom Hardy. His normal voice is light and pleasant.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Dec 30, 2020 15:27:12 GMT
Maybe I'm wrong, but I notice a resemblance to Scandinavians speaking English in those early years. I wonder if that has anything to do with Saxon immigration/invasion to So. England from the 7th to early 9th centuries.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 15:31:47 GMT
Maybe I'm wrong, but I notice a resemblance to Scandinavians speaking English in those early years. I wonder if that has anything to do with Saxon immigration/invasion to So. England from the 7th to early 9th centuries. Probably. The entry for 1706 sounded Irish to me. I can't see how they can really know, it's all very speculative.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Dec 30, 2020 15:35:35 GMT
I find accents interesting. Hoping to add and not divert from the thread, California has some interesting accents. If you go down the middle of the state, you can still find lots of white folks with a distinct So. Midwest or Plain states accent. This is due to the dustbowl migration during the Depression. My own mom, whose parents were Swedish, but whose mom came from NYC, Chicago, and finally became farmers in the southern middle of the state, used to pronounce "wash" as "warsh" like they say it in Ohio and thereabouts. I believe that's because my Swedish grandmother heard it that way growing up in the Central Valley of California. My mom also had a slight Scandinavian accent as her mom and dad, my grandparents, spoke Swedish in the house growing up.
California is interesting because of all the different migrations - Chinese and Japanese from the mid 1800s to early 1900s, the constant Hispanic presence and African Americans moving here for jobs in WWII. In my own neighborhood, there is a big Afghani and Indian influx, both working class and professional, and I'm amazed at how the kids, who almost all speak two languages, lose their accents so quickly after going to school.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Dec 30, 2020 15:38:54 GMT
Maybe I'm wrong, but I notice a resemblance to Scandinavians speaking English in those early years. I wonder if that has anything to do with Saxon immigration/invasion to So. England from the 7th to early 9th centuries. Probably. The entry for 1706 sounded Irish to me. I can't see how they can really know, it's all very speculative.
Getting my English degree, the origin of English language was a fairly critical component to the studies. It was interesting to see how tongue placement when speaking affects accents. I also think it's interesting to hear the evolution of vowel and consonant sounds. My daughter will use an extra "ah" sound when she emphasizes words at the end of sentences that end with a consonant, like "That was the plan," turns into, "That was the plan-uh." My son doesn't do that so she has been influenced somewhere down the line. |
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Post by oh oooh on Dec 30, 2020 15:41:37 GMT
Maybe I'm wrong, but I notice a resemblance to Scandinavians speaking English in those early years. I wonder if that has anything to do with Saxon immigration/invasion to So. England from the 7th to early 9th centuries. Probably. The entry for 1706 sounded Irish to me. I can't see how they can really know, it's all very speculative.
The boards say where they get their evidence from, there's science there, it's not really speculative. There are non-audio records, attempted transcripts, they can trace a path of progression. |
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Dec 30, 2020 15:48:08 GMT
This will be useful for reading UK postings.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 15:48:38 GMT
But I still don't think they can really know. I am sure they use a scientific process but that doesn't mean to say the conclusions will be absolutely accurate.
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Dec 30, 2020 15:50:54 GMT
But I still don't think they can really know. I am sure they use a scientific process but that doesn't mean to say the conclusions will be absolutely accurate. reading this with the 1856 accent in mind |
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Post by oh oooh on Dec 30, 2020 15:53:46 GMT
No, of course not.
It's worth looking up word corpora - a corpus being the body of words used by whatever national or regional body. You can follow usage trends using Google's ngram viewer (which goes back a couple of centuries) - 'toxic' for example is used way more today than it was 20 years ago. But that's an obvious example. Mostly the changes are incredibly slow, not noticed.
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Post by oh oooh on Dec 30, 2020 15:55:36 GMT
The US English vowel sounds fascinate me. 'jobs' becomes 'jabs', 'pass' becomes 'pess' in some regions.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Dec 30, 2020 16:03:52 GMT
The US English vowel sounds fascinate me. 'jobs' becomes 'jabs', 'pass' becomes 'pess' in some regions. I was listening to sports talk radio the other day and the host, who is from the East Coast, pronounced the short "o" as "a." Here's a funny Seinfeld clip based on that. |
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Post by tory on Dec 30, 2020 17:26:02 GMT
Absolutely fascinating.
You can definitely hear the Norse/Scandi sound being slowly squeezed out by 1500 or so, which makes sense given that immigration from that area of the world had dried up by 1100 but obviously still had a major influence on the language.
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