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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 16:59:33 GMT
Absolutely. Whew! first time I've agreed with you in yonks Mr. G! People agree with me all the time, but unfortunately always feel the need to qualify it with " for once I agree...". It's become a Preludin meme and I guess I just have to put up with it! But it would be nice if they could just agree!
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Post by clive gash on Oct 14, 2021 17:03:14 GMT
Go on someone, SAY IT.
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Post by rayge on Oct 14, 2021 17:17:44 GMT
If only he would say something I could agree with..
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Oct 14, 2021 17:19:23 GMT
There's an emotional lightness in 80s pop music. There is something disposable and throwaway there. I don't think you often find something with the emotional depth of, say, Marvin Gaye's version of Grapevine that seems to be sourced from a deeper well. And that combination of art and commerce (recognised 60s peaks like Good Vibrations, Strawberry Fields seem like the apex of this in pop music) is something that feels missing to me. Less professional, more amateur approach? I dunno. I halfway agree, but that first and second sentence is too dismissive, too categorical for me ( I realise you're making a rhetorical point, but still..). I reckon I get a similar emotional depth from Soft Cell's version of 'Tainted Love' as I do 'Grapevine'. Okay, it's not quite as good, but it's in the same ballpark. Likewise the sonic journey of "Slave to the Rhythm" offers the same heady excitement as Good Vibrations. Also, whilst you can no doubt state things that 60s music did better, the flip side is that there are qualities more easily found in 80s music than 60s music, for example the physical thrill of a hard, pure mechanised rhythm. That's just one example and my example, no doubt if you asked Rayge or Darkness Fish they would have their own examples. Where I would agree is the 60s produced those kind of towering figures who were reinventing the wheel almost on a yearly basis - yer Lennon's and Dylan's, Hendrix's and Wilson's etc. The 80s can't compete with that. I don't get the same emotional depth from Tainted Love. There is a degree of, I dunno, artifice, performance there in that it feels like a young man trying to convey something he hasn't really experienced whereas Gaye feels more authentic. It's in his voice...pained, wracked, broken and the record is obviously superior and has that nexus of Art and commerce that I mentioned too. Yeah you don't get the machine music, the brutal power of mechanisation but then you don't get the funk brothers, wrecking crew or muscle shoals or any kind of equivalent in the 80s making hit singles dance and spark and really bounce (also having a real character of their own.....you can tell muscle shoals right away). I guess the closest 60s thing would be James brown funk in the opposite direction but in terms of singles the mechanisation of pop music was the start of its downfall really.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 17:44:32 GMT
I'd say the Compass Point guys "dance and spark and really bounce" and I'm sure I can think of more examples if I put my mind to it. I do get what you're saying but it's too rigid and classicist for me.
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Post by Sneelock on Oct 14, 2021 18:05:00 GMT
Rigid N. Classicist is the name and hating "Tainted Love" is the game. I heard it WAY too much & it always struck me as pretty anemic.
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Post by DarknessFish on Oct 14, 2021 18:15:07 GMT
Say Hello, Wave Goodbye is superior to both Tainted Love and Grapevine, and has proper emotional depth. Just not a positive emotional depth.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Oct 14, 2021 18:18:43 GMT
Absolutely. Whew! first time I've agreed with you in yonks Mr. G! People agree with me all the time, but unfortunately always feel the need to qualify it with " for once I agree...". It's become a Preludin meme and I guess I just have to put up with it! But it would be nice if they could just agree! You have been quite argumentative - COMBATIVE even - of late, G. If not that, then often dismissive. HENCE the surprise when people find EQUANIMITY in thy postes
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 19:14:50 GMT
People agree with me all the time, but unfortunately always feel the need to qualify it with " for once I agree...". It's become a Preludin meme and I guess I just have to put up with it! But it would be nice if they could just agree! You have been quite argumentative - COMBATIVE even - of late, G. If not that, then often dismissive. HENCE the surprise when people find EQUANIMITY in thy postes. Well you're always complaining people aren't OPINIONATED enough. You can't have it both ways. X
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Oct 16, 2021 11:11:12 GMT
Will probably put together a poll of about 30 of these choices soon - based partly on the number of likes they've had - so nominate another if you're so inclined.
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Post by bungo the mungo on Oct 16, 2021 11:25:43 GMT
this HAS to be in the mix.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Oct 16, 2021 11:31:20 GMT
I love that song
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Post by bungo the mungo on Oct 16, 2021 11:34:41 GMT
i saw them in valencia a few years ago. the place went mental when they played it. i also saw them on my first trip to the US back in 87.
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Post by rayge on Oct 16, 2021 11:35:12 GMT
Will probably put together a poll of about 30 of these choices soon Crikey - I've barely got past 1981.
Let's leap ahead then
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2021 11:36:56 GMT
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