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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 2, 2021 11:23:30 GMT
Because you talk down to people and patronise them.
I think you are overreacting to what John and I said but others are free to agree with you and like your post. Personally I am not convinced at all that a teenage girl (who was how old when this started?) with a condition that impairs social development is doing what you claim above in regards to her own agency and I find the whole Greta Thunberg Thing (for want of a better phrase) problematic, weird and exploitative. Maybe others feel something similar too around here, I dunno. The things which you and others find "distasteful", truthfully, often don't make much sense to me but then I have different sensibilities and a different sense of humour - amongst other things - and a different way of expressing myself to some around here. Which is what I was getting at above in regards to Greta: we find very different things "distasteful".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 11:49:07 GMT
I've tried to choose my words carefully and be polite and considered so we wouldn't get into this kind of argument, but it seems I've failed in that. I don't think you like being challenged on these things, so that gives us the choice of either staying silent when you make these comments or getting into a row.
I also don't believe that her autism ( and she is clearly at the high functioning end of that spectrum) should exclude her from performing a high profile public role if this is what she wishes to do. She is clearly different and extraordinary in many ways, but then so were many activists, freedom fighters and campaigners in the past.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 11:59:56 GMT
I'm not trying to lecture you, just trying to explain why I felt the comments were a bit out of line. Why are you so antagonistic to having your views challenged? Do you expect silence or approval as the only choices that people can make when reading this. Maybe you could put across your own views, G. Elaborate on what you feel, rather than advising people how to behave. I don't agree with everything Dougie said myself (actually it's the way he said it in this case) but why not address his points? That goes for the 'silent majority' who agreed with what G said too. I mean, a discussion is all we're after on a notice board, after all. Isn't it? I am trying to address his points, but when I do I'm told I'm delivering a patronising lecture, so I don't know how else I can do it really. I do agree it would be nice to hear other voices so we can broaden out the discussion and stop it just being an adversarial thing between a couple of posters.
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Post by fearlessfreap on Nov 2, 2021 12:12:05 GMT
I find the whole autism thing interesting, and not because I and my son have a form of it. There is a girl in my kids' school with Asperger's, who has developed an obsession with right wing politics and Donald Trump. Because she has Asperger's, the teachers allow her to act out and go on her rants. I'm sure, like Thunberg, her parents are behind her obsessions, but at least the Thunbergs are trying to do something positive.
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Post by harrylemon on Nov 2, 2021 12:17:14 GMT
I have a few relations with Autism and know a couple of kids at varying levels on the spectrum. I'm no expert on the ins and outs. But the kids do try to achieve goals they set for themselves.
For GT to get involved in anything to such a level is, with wanting to patronise her, is a great achievement. Although I do share the concern that it could be detrimental to her in the future.
I found Dougie's joke a bit distasteful, and it also wasn't actually funny, which is just as bad.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 12:24:01 GMT
Maybe you have to be different to do different things, you know?
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Post by oh oooh on Nov 2, 2021 12:24:45 GMT
I've tried to choose my words carefully and be polite and considered so we wouldn't get into this kind of argument, but it seems I've failed in that. I don't think you like being challenged on these things, so that gives us the choice of either staying silent when you make these comments or getting into a row.There is also the choice of getting into a discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 12:44:05 GMT
I find the whole autism thing interesting, and not because I and my son have a form of it. There is a girl in my kids' school with Asperger's, who has developed an obsession with right wing politics and Donald Trump. Because she has Asperger's, the teachers allow her to act out and go on her rants. I'm sure, like Thunberg, her parents are behind her obsessions, but at least the Thunbergs are trying to do something positive. A little part of this is the question given the position Greta finds herself in actually doing something positive or harmful? I think if Donny Trump had a 12 year old child at his rallies urging kids to help make America great again or a Tele evangelists daughter preaching that kids need to stop playing video games would garner the same response.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 12:47:21 GMT
For the record I don't personally find Dougie's questions and observations concerning us and Greta to be offensive, insensitive or aggressive. A short amount of time reading on her history and family raise a few red flags for me.
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Post by cousinlou on Nov 2, 2021 12:48:59 GMT
I think she's pretty brave and has done a lot to force politicians to respond. I also find the comments on her looks, sex life ( or lack of) etc a bit distasteful if I'm honest. We wouldn't be saying this about a male. Well it is distasteful and what point does it serve? I am not easily offended so at these type of remarks I might do a bit of eyerolling if I am in the mood for it but hardly ever would I respond to it. My thumbs up for G's post was in support for the sentiment expressed. Little did I know it would only get worse. 'she should get laid' 'you stole my sexlife' And you all wonder why not more people (womans!) join this board?
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Post by DarknessFish on Nov 2, 2021 12:57:50 GMT
I find the whole Greta Thunberg thing weird. I don't know how a teenage girl becomes the figurehead of a global movement, how she became the 'go to' person. I literally don't understand why. Are there people behind her, pushing her, is it of her own making, or just a happy/unhappy accident? But she appears to be on the right side of the argument, and trying to make a change for the better. Is she personally suffering? I don't know. Is her aspergers an issue, I don't know that either.
But she does seem to be driven, she appears brave and intelligent enough, and I think it's weird to take cheap shots at her, ignore the issue, then attempt to take the moral highground that it's her interests you're concerned about.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 2, 2021 13:27:33 GMT
I think she's pretty brave and has done a lot to force politicians to respond. I also find the comments on her looks, sex life ( or lack of) etc a bit distasteful if I'm honest. We wouldn't be saying this about a male. Well it is distasteful and what point does it serve? I am not easily offended so at these type of remarks I might do a bit of eyerolling if I am in the mood for it but hardly ever would I respond to it. My thumbs up for G's post was in support for the sentiment expressed. Little did I know it would only get worse. 'she should get laid' 'you stole my sexlife' And you all wonder why not more people (womans!) join this board? Yes, of course, it's because of comments like this that no women join the board (hardly any men do either mind but we'll overlook that). It's funny the things people get bothered by isn't it? Meanwhile posts like this attract no attention at all, no criticism or nothing but I guess making jokes about Greta are a BIG No-No but wishing women dead are fine. The only reason I'd give Katie Hopkins an exemption to fly into Australia is if she was arriving in an urn. A despicable cunt of a human. No wonder women don't join eh?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 13:34:02 GMT
I think she's pretty brave and has done a lot to force politicians to respond. I also find the comments on her looks, sex life ( or lack of) etc a bit distasteful if I'm honest. We wouldn't be saying this about a male. Well it is distasteful and what point does it serve? I am not easily offended so at these type of remarks I might do a bit of eyerolling if I am in the mood for it but hardly ever would I respond to it. My thumbs up for G's post was in support for the sentiment expressed. Little did I know it would only get worse. 'she should get laid' 'you stole my sexlife' And you all wonder why not more people (womans!) join this board? Yeah why not more women? I guess because of misogynistic men and culture in general the poor little things just don't have what it takes to put the more macho element here in their place. That's a great argument Lou , right on , virtuous and clear as a signal crab looking for a mate. What we struggle with here due to a lack of female posters is shown in part when there was a discussion on what constituted abuse. It was (naturally) approached from a male viewpoint as the female perspective had zero participants. Generally you can make a case that all jokes reveal your politics,views and persona. They don't.Dougie might not have a sense of humour that you approve of but it is just a cheap gag and they arrive here on a daily basis. He also put forward a point of view that from the outside and with limited knowledge accepted that Greta is being exploited and her original behaviour was initially tolerated as a dummy for a screaming child ( as her parents admitted too) or is exploitation of a condition that requires more attention than letting a part of it manifest itself on our t.v screens. We have someone on bcb with the same condition and their wasn't much tolerance or sympathy shown there especially from a female poster. And yet that receives a pass or a vote. I too would like to see more women post on here and I don't know why they don't. I am sure of one thing though , if they did it would be a bonus and they would be treated with respect. I think Dougie and I are of the opinion that everything can be a joke or nothing can be a joke.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 2, 2021 13:37:46 GMT
I find the whole Greta Thunberg thing weird. I don't know how a teenage girl becomes the figurehead of a global movement, how she became the 'go to' person. I literally don't understand why. Are there people behind her, pushing her, is it of her own making, or just a happy/unhappy accident? But she appears to be on the right side of the argument, and trying to make a change for the better. Is she personally suffering? I don't know. Is her aspergers an issue, I don't know that either. But she does seem to be driven, she appears brave and intelligent enough, and I think it's weird to take cheap shots at her, ignore the issue, then attempt to take the moral highground that it's her interests you're concerned about. Imagine two things going on simultaneously in one persons head. Two thoughts, which appear conflicting but seem to co-exist. The desire to make jokes about shit and the transgressive desire to make fun of things which people treat very seriously but also a more nuanced, empathetic expression of solidarity with a human being that expresses something sincere. How fucking weird.
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Post by osgood on Nov 2, 2021 13:47:49 GMT
Is it really that difficult to type 'Sorry, that was a wrong joke'?
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