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Post by DayoRemix on May 24, 2023 6:50:48 GMT
Definitely a banner year for the old guard. I don't know why people were still listening to them. I find it truly incomprehensible. So, by their late 40s, these guys were culturally dead? (Only Orbison was in his 50s by 1989) Reed puts out his best album and we shouldn't be bothering with it because of his age?
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Post by oh oooh on May 24, 2023 7:08:27 GMT
I didn't realise that this kind of listening was really going on, was really happening on such a scale until I'd been on BCB for a couple of years.
I mean, of COURSE I knew it was happening because of sales figures, huge tours, etc. I just didn't think it was REALLY happening among music fans. And then you hear about 28 regular board members meeting up to see Tom Petty in Florida or something.
I wouldn't go as far as G and call it incomprehensible, but I still find it surprising.
*shrugs*
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Post by davey on May 24, 2023 8:06:39 GMT
I think y’all suffer from NME-vision.
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Post by davey on May 24, 2023 8:07:22 GMT
I don't know why people were still listening to them. I find it truly incomprehensible. So, by their late 40s, these guys were culturally dead? (Only Orbison was in his 50s by 1989) Reed puts out his best album and we shouldn't be bothering with it because of his age? Petty was 39 in 1989.
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Post by DarknessFish on May 24, 2023 8:31:21 GMT
1989
Clock DVA had been silent for about 5 years when Buried Dreams came out, and they couldn't really have sounded any different from the blues/jazz/funk of their previous releases. Fully embracing electronics, a world Adi Newton had previously stepped away from when he left The Future in the late 70s, here we're in a vaguely EBM zone, but still not really anything you'd call dance music. Instead, it's more headphone music, Adi's low grumble of a voice providing a floating hypnotic suggestion over the spiraling beeps and beats. Sure, it's dated a touch, and those keyboard horns are very intrusive, but I love this kinda thing, and it sounds like nuffin else.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on May 24, 2023 8:32:16 GMT
I don't know why people were still listening to them. I find it truly incomprehensible. So, by their late 40s, these guys were culturally dead? (Only Orbison was in his 50s by 1989) Reed puts out his best album and we shouldn't be bothering with it because of his age? No I'm not saying that, or at least I didn't mean to. It's more the idea that these guys were still producing the best music of the age. That they were still leading when most (and there's the odd exception) were on a long term artistic decline. You don't really get it in other artforms, you didn't have people in the 70s saying the best director's today are Fritz Lang and John Ford.
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Post by fearlessfreap on May 24, 2023 11:22:06 GMT
The late 80's in the US, contrary to what I've picked, were extremely conservative. The color of new wave was long gone. MTV's spinoff, VH1 was known for the time, for it's low key black and white videos of a new genre creation by media, adult contemporary. 60's and 70's refugees with fairlights. Baby boomers were hitting their 40's and wanted comfortable music. MTV's most popular show was Yo MTV Raps,and we couldn't have that! Kids were starting to buy hip hop in greater numbers, and the most popular form of rock for high school kids was metal -- usually of the LA sunset strip big hair variety. Also, the first "classic rock" radio stations were starting to sprout up like cystic acne. My wife, who is younger than I am and was in high school at the time tells me that one of the most popular albums played at parties was the Steve Miller Band's Greatest Hits, so you had reactionaries in their teens. You had the fucking Travelling Wilburys in the charts, and we were a year or so away from the rebirth of country music as big hat wearing Journey and Eagles influenced acts like Garth Brooks. The wretched heartland rock movement was in full swing --"real rock" for "real people - ie the south and midwest -- the northeast and west coast populace were all black transgendered communists. Rolling Stone still had a sizable readership, and they were pushing Dylan, the Rolling Stones and Springsteen over hip hop, techno or what was then called "college rock," but soon would be known as "alternative." To their credit, they would tentatively cover the latter, but hip hop evolved from disco, and we know disco sucked. To really put things in perspective, a very popular album among college students was Dylan and the Dead.
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Post by oh oooh on May 24, 2023 11:41:40 GMT
and so this I think y’all suffer from NME-vision. (which is a fair assessment, more or less) isn't something I'm ashamed of. I suppose I grew up thinking real music fans (yeah yeah, whatever THAT means) tended to dig the alternative more than the mainstream. It's something I haven't been able to shake off, even after years of exposure to the Rolling Stone view of rock history on MOJO (the mag and the forum) and BCB. So I'm still a little puzzled to see late-period McCartney albums feted over something like MBV, say. It seems a bit off.
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Post by riggers on May 24, 2023 12:16:38 GMT
1989 Neneh Cherry-"Buffalo Stance"
From a time when, as well as being thrilled by new sounds and boundaries being pushed, I was able to embrace pure pop music. Probably down to Sonic Youth embracing Madonna etc..it was ok for the 'cool kids' to say they liked Belinda Carlisle's latest or whatever. Although Stock, Aitken and Waterman were at their height, there was still joyous, quality pop music being made. This is a prime example.
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Post by oh oooh on May 24, 2023 12:25:35 GMT
SO great
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Post by tory on May 24, 2023 12:43:40 GMT
I'll point out again that my DJ career zenith was Neneh Cherry telling me I was good.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on May 24, 2023 12:49:07 GMT
1989Neneh Cherry-"Buffalo Stance" From a time when, as well as being thrilled by new sounds and boundaries being pushed, I was able to embrace pure pop music. Probably down to Sonic Youth embracing Madonna etc..it was ok for the 'cool kids' to say they liked Belinda Carlisle's latest or whatever. Although Stock, Aitken and Waterman were at their height, there was still joyous, quality pop music being made. This is a prime example. You really think Sonic Youth were so influential in that way (although I guess they were on some). Neneh Cherry always had underground credibility anyway coming from Rip Rig and Panic and that whole Wild Bunch Bristol scene. I think her journey is similar to all those post-punk bands that went 'new pop' earlier in the decade.
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Post by riggers on May 24, 2023 14:18:19 GMT
1989Neneh Cherry-"Buffalo Stance" From a time when, as well as being thrilled by new sounds and boundaries being pushed, I was able to embrace pure pop music. Probably down to Sonic Youth embracing Madonna etc..it was ok for the 'cool kids' to say they liked Belinda Carlisle's latest or whatever. Although Stock, Aitken and Waterman were at their height, there was still joyous, quality pop music being made. This is a prime example. You really think Sonic Youth were so influential in that way (although I guess they were on some). Neneh Cherry always had underground credibility anyway coming from Rip Rig and Panic and that whole Wild Bunch Bristol scene. I think her journey is similar to all those post-punk bands that went 'new pop' earlier in the decade. Well, of course I know that now, but at the time, this was the first I'd heard of her. I guess I was very under the spell of SY and the US underground in general at this point. I seem to remember SY had a South Bank show done about them round about this time, so it was the peak of my fandom.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on May 24, 2023 14:57:33 GMT
Yeah, a lot depends on what age you are at the time of course.
It's funny I was reading a music thread, but on a football forum, and some guys, who were probably in their late 30s, were talking of Massive Attack of the Mezzanine/Heligoland period as being this gateway into more alternative/experimental music. They were saying before that as teenagers they'd listened to more mainstream indie stuff, but hearing Massive Attack and seeing them at festivals helped change their taste. I'd never thought of Massive Attack in that way, but it did make sense.
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Post by davey on May 24, 2023 15:33:13 GMT
You don't really get it in other artforms, you didn't have people in the 70s saying the best director's today are Fritz Lang and John Ford. Neither Lang nor Ford were making films in the 70s.
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