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Post by Stacy Heydon on May 24, 2023 15:53:33 GMT
You know what I mean!
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Post by davey on May 24, 2023 16:09:15 GMT
Sort of. But I think the bad example kind of shows how skewed your perspective is.
These guys were mid-career at that point. In most cases, we’d already seen them have artistic lows and returns-to-form - so it wasn’t absurd to think they might be interesting again.
Someone maintaining an interest in Lang during the 50s would be a better comparison - and Lang was legitimately interesting during the 50s.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on May 24, 2023 16:23:10 GMT
I don't know, sure you can be interested in them, but some of the stuff just seems really weak compared to other developments happening at the same time..I don't get how anyone could think the McCartney track a few pages back could be under any kind of consideration as one of the best tracks of the year. But this kind of discussion is more suited to when we'll have our year by year discussion of the canon ( my own bloody fault for taking the thread off course I know!)
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Post by tory on May 24, 2023 17:40:40 GMT
1987
Rhythim is Rhythim : Strings of Life
In 1987/88, Acid House was in full swing, taking onboard the muscular sound of Chicago, which had started the House movement. Although Detroit techno had taken off in 1985, it was still very much a more minor musical movement at the time, and whilst there were some records making their way over, like Model 500, it didn't really have a signature sound until this moment.
Strings of Life seemed to encapsulate the MDMA-driven British response to dance music. Whilst written in Detroit, and inspired by a variety of sounds ranging from Tangerine Dream to the futuristic sounds of the Bladerunner soundtrack by Vangelis and Kraftwerk, the piano breakdown seemed to capture or at least provide a catalyst to the whole movement. It was the track that seemed to capture the anthemic nature of the DJ narrative in a way that very few records did before - a moment where there was a pause, a chance to catch your breath in the middle of the dancefloor and then the euphoric rush of that little breakdown at 3:00, a pause.... and then off into glorious sunshine-fuelled panoramic glory after 4:00. If there was a record that just produced an enormous, hand-waving in the air, off-your-tits on garys, caught in the moment shit-eating smile to loads of other people on the dancefloor, wondering what the fuck is going on, then this was it.
It's the sort of record you can't really play anymore because it was rinsed to death in clubs by everyone for about 5 or 6 years, but that shouldn't detract from its place in history as a definitive moment.
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Post by toomanyhatz on May 24, 2023 18:15:41 GMT
Appreciate the reminder of that Neneh track - I remember loving it at the time, so it's not like I was shutting new music out at the time - at least one Pogues track will likely appear in my 'contenders' file from the year as well - but it really was a pretty key year for my anti-ageism (though of course the 'old guard' was a lot younger then than I am now!)
It really does come down to the songs. I'm not going to try to convince you that "This One" is up there with "Hey Jude." More that once Sir-Thumbs-aloft realized no one was going to buy him as a dance hit maker, or a futurist, he went back to his pop smarts, and still had them to spare. My distaste for the 'sounds of the era' are probably figuring into play here, but it wasn't the hip producers of the day, who were all too busy being impressed by the latest model Fairlight or whatever, who remembered that you still need a great song to make a great record. It was the folks who were reminding themselves of why they were doing it in the first place.
The other thing it comes down to is that my favorite 80s music is the stuff that has the least characteristic identifiers as '80s music' and has a more personal vision - meant more for a headphone listen than a dance club.
My own personal aesthetic would grow even more so in the coming decade. So prepare to be amazed. Or offended. Or bored. Or something.
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Post by davey on May 24, 2023 18:49:59 GMT
I don't know, sure you can be interested in them, but some of the stuff just seems really weak compared to other developments happening at the same time..I don't get how anyone could think the McCartney track a few pages back could be under any kind of consideration as one of the best tracks of the year. But this kind of discussion is more suited to when we'll have our year by year discussion of the canon ( my own bloody fault for taking the thread off course I know!) See…I don’t think that all of the “other developments” happening in 1989 were all that amazing. I’ll give you that hip hop was having a real moment. But beyond that? Not really. I think the Lou Reed track I put up holds up pretty fucking strong against all comers. I think Neil Young’s Freedom and the best tracks on Oh Mercy do as well. I don’t think of the McCartney track as particularly weighty, but it’s a reminder of Paul’s best attributes, which is no small thing. I dunno man. Just seems like you’ve got a bunch of other cultural considerations clouding your judgement here.
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Post by toomanyhatz on May 24, 2023 19:24:40 GMT
John Huston's Wise Blood - made when he was in his 70s - is great, btw.
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Post by davey on May 24, 2023 19:30:58 GMT
John Huston's Wise Blood - made when he was in his 70s - is great, btw. I’d have gone with Fat City…which IS actually great. Wise Blood is an odd film.
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Post by toomanyhatz on May 24, 2023 20:10:14 GMT
John Huston's Wise Blood - made when he was in his 70s - is great, btw. I’d have gone with Fat City…which IS actually great. Wise Blood is an odd film. Heck, how about "The Dead?" He made that in his 80s! But I digress. I suspect every art form has been overly impressed with its own modernity from time-to-time, only to be brought back to a return to traditional values.
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Post by davey on May 24, 2023 23:14:17 GMT
I started a thread so we can fight w G about the music aspect of this. Maybe we should start one about the movies too?
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Post by DayoRemix on May 25, 2023 3:43:06 GMT
1989
"Fascination Street" The Cure
I'm breaking my rule and doubling up with an act. Couldn't let Disintegration go by without a mention. Apologies to Ministry,Kitchens of Distinction, Galaxie 500 and 808 State..At least Clock DVA and the exact Lou Reed track I wanted to see were offered up..
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Post by rayge on May 25, 2023 6:20:53 GMT
from adam: 1987
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Post by rayge on May 25, 2023 6:24:21 GMT
adam again
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Post by rayge on May 25, 2023 6:26:30 GMT
...and 1989
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Post by Stacy Heydon on May 25, 2023 6:44:29 GMT
Fools Gold really was an incredible record. It would've been a travesty had it not been picked.
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